Is Jesus the only son of God?

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August 17, 2009

Q. I grew up believing that Jesus was the only son of God.  In your faith do you believe differently?

Jesus ascension

Short answer: Yes and No.

Long answer: You might think this question would have a straightforward answer, but turns out it doesn’t.  Entire ecumenical councils have been convened to address the relationship between Jesus and the Father.  It’s a sticky question, and this is why:

The Bible uses the term “Only Begotten” four times in reference to Jesus (the Book of Mormon and other LDS scriptures tack on a whopping forty more).  So it seems pretty straightforward; he must be the only one. At the same time, however, there are many other scriptures that seem to indicate there are more children of God—namely us.  Those scriptures refer to the human race as either being the children of God already (Acts 17:29: “Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God…”) or having the potential to become the children of God (John 1:12: “But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God”).  Furthermore, sometimes Jesus refers to the Father only as “my Father” (Luke 2:49), and sometimes as “your Father” (Matt 5:48), and sometimes both (John 20:17).

So which is it?  Is Jesus the only son of God, or are we all sons and daughters of God?  And if we’re not now, is it possible for us to become so?

I don’t pretend to understand how the majority of Christianity answers those questions, especially since the early creeds seem confusing on what exactly the relationship between the Father and the Son is.  Luckily you just want to know what Mormons believe and that is, by comparison, pretty straightforward.

1. All of us (including Jesus) are children of God because God is the Father of our spirits.

To suggest that Jesus is always and ever was the only son of God is to ignore a whole lot of scripture in the Bible.  In one sense, we are all children of God. God is the Father of our spirits.  This is why Paul calls us all “the offspring of God.”  We have that piece of divinity inside us.  Jesus is special because he was, as the author of Hebrews calls him, “the Firstbegotten.”  The same author calls His church the “church of the Firstborn.”  Just the use of the words Firstbegotten and Firstborn imply that there are others. Not only that, we were all with God and Jesus before the world was.  (See the posts on the pre-mortal life of man for a better explanation).  In short: all of us are children of God, but Jesus is the first.

Jesus Birth

2.  Jesus is the only begotten of the Father in the flesh.

If we all are children of God, why are the scriptures so adamant that he is the “Only Begotten Son”?  To beget someone is to father them.  Everyone born on earth has been begotten by an earthly, mortal father.  That is, everyone but Jesus.  Jesus was born to a virgin.  His father is God.  We don’t pretend to know the details of all that, but Jesus is the only one for whom that is true, and that’s why He is called the Only Begotten.

3.  We become the sons and daughters of God in a different sense by accepting the gospel.

If we are all already the children of God, what is all this scriptural talk of becoming the children of God?  Turns out sometimes salvation is spoken of as becoming the sons/daughters of God, or of Christ. When Jesus came to earth and atoned for our sins, he opened the way to be saved.  He gave us power to become the sons of God, as John said.  Maybe it’s confusing to describe it that way, but hey, it wasn’t my idea.  Besides, it’s a good way to describe the spiritual change that happens when we accept Jesus Christ.  I think the Book of Mormon king Benjamin described it best to his people, who had just accepted Jesus Christ with a covenant to follow Him:

“And now, because of the covenant which ye have made ye shall be called the children of Christ, his sons, and his daughters; for behold, this day he hath spiritually begotten you; for ye say that your hearts are changed through faith on his name; therefore, ye are born of him and have become his sons and his daughters.”  (Mosiah 5:7)

So we see that if there were only one sense in which a person could be a child of God, the Bible would remain ambiguous on the question.  But if they are referring to different relationships, we get a coherent picture of our relationship with God the Father and Jesus Christ. In one sense everyone is a child of God, in another sense only Jesus is, and in a third sense, we start out not children and then have the option to become children of God.

An important footnote: Do Mormons believe Jesus and Satan are brothers?

Carl_Bloch_Denying_SatanOne of the more shocking things you’ll hear about Mormonism is that we believe that Jesus and Satan are brothers. Now that we’ve outlined our relationships to God, we can address that claim in the proper context.  It’s true that they are brothers in the first sense that I described above, but saying it out of that context is intentionally misleading, because almost everyone is thinking in the second sense.  When you’re coming from the position that Jesus is the only son of God, putting Satan up there with him not only seems like a blatant contradiction of the “Only Begotten” scriptures, but also makes it seem like we consider them to be equals.  That couldn’t be further from the truth.  Jesus Christ, the Greatest of all, who personifies goodness and grace, and Satan, the father of lies, who rebelled against God and was cast out of heaven, are not equals. They are brothers in the sense that we are all brothers and sisters, spiritual offspring of the same Father.  Aside from that, they couldn’t be more different.

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46 Responses to “Is Jesus the only son of God?”

  1. Jan

    Great article, Dave. I really enjoy your style.

  2. Bruce Johns

    Brigham Young tried to explain this very thing for 20 – 30 years. The people proved not ready for it so it was finally withdrawn and watered down to the level they could handle.

    It’s called the Adam-God doctrine.

    Just sayin……

  3. Thaddeus

    Bruce,

    The Adam-God theory is a slightly different claim than the one Dave has tackled here. I invite you to take a closer look at what Brigham was saying by visiting the FAIR Wiki.

    Dave,

    Maybe the third example (becoming children of God or of Christ) makes more sense in a certain ancient cultural context than 21st-century America. Here is an analogy from the Book of Mormon:

    “the children of Amulon…were displeased with the conduct of their fathers, and they would no longer be called by the names of their fathers, therefore they took upon themselves the name of Nephi, that they might be called the children of Nephi and be numbered among those who were called Nephites.” (Mosiah 25:2)

    These people rejected their wicked biological fathers and chose to become “children” of Nephi. In the same sense, when we’re baptized we take the name of Christ on us and opt to become His children.

  4. Dave

    Thad,

    I think you’re right there, and I like the example.

    Similarly Jews always thought of themselves as children of Abraham, because of the covenant that God made with him. They’re always calling Abraham their father. So I agree that the concept of childhood and fatherhood in the third sense wouldn’t seem so confusing to them.

  5. Paul MATTHEWS

    I Beg to differ . Jesus was not the only begotten son of God ! if one reads in the Old Testament Bible , it states ( Jacob) was a Son of God so was — ( Solomon) -AND GOD said to David—- iam pleased with you David you are my Begotten son and i’m your Father. Jacob– you are my son from this day forth your name will be ISRAEL. and my throne will be there . THE SON OF GOD WAS ONLY A TITLE. NOT A DEVINE PERSON. Jesus was no more a GOD then any other Child of God We are all sons of God !! Religion is nothing but a means to Enslave the Human Mass by Brainwashing , Fear & Punishment. its all a Money Making pious Fraud .

  6. Ben

    Dear Paul,

    Thank you for expressing your opinions, but we firmly maintain that Jesus Christ was and is the only person whose biological father is God the Father. As far as religion is concerned, I guess we will just have to wait and see, but I see no harm in believing in a higher power and supreme being, especially if that belief promotes respect of each other and doing good in the world.

  7. Jasmine love

    Everyone, I am babtist and I just want to know one thing. Do Mormon people believe that Jesus is the son of god?

  8. Dave

    Paul,

    If you read the above article (under #1), you will find that we agree with you that Jacob, Solomon, and David are all sons of God. Indeed, we agree that, as you say, “we are all sons of God.” Like Ben said, though, we do maintain that Jesus is special in that he is the Only Begotten Son of God in the flesh.

    Jasmine,

    Yes. Mormon people believe that Jesus is the son of God.

  9. Curtis "Curtis" Wiederhold

    One more thing I’d like to clear up. Sometimes Psalms 2:7 is used to show that David is another begotten son of God. Though admittedly it’s a confusing verse, the “begotten” in it is referring to Jesus Christ, not David.

    Even Yahoo Answers has tackled this one; click here to see what they have to say on the matter.

  10. Bill

    Great article! I always enjoy coming here and hearing other people’s faith and testimonies. As a recent father of two, getting used to the new experience of sibling dynamics, I’ve often thought about the fact that, in a very real sense, we are all brothers and sisters. This puts a very different perspective on “loving the sinner and hating the sin.” All of our quarrels, fights, debates, wars, crusades, gossiping, spite, etc, amount to little more or less than sibling rivalry. Even when Satan, the worst, most rebellious one ever, was cast out “the heavens wept over him.” (Doctrine and Covenants 76:26) We know God truly weeps when we suffer, and especially when we bring suffering upon ourselves or others, most notably through our sins. (See Moses 7:28-37) If we really remembered who we are and whose we are, perhaps it would help us “love the Lord [our] God with all [our] heart” and “[our] neighbor as [ourselves]”. (Matthew 22:37-40)

  11. Very nice work. Thank you for your effort and research.

  12. The one and only son of God

    Many challenges. If Jesus is not God, he can redeem no man for it is written:

    Psalm 49:8-10 “A man can not at all redeem (release) a brother (from the righteous demands of the law); and give not to God a ransom (a sacrificial payment) for him- for the redemption of their soul (from the consequence of sin) is precious, and it (the unredeemed soul) ceases forever- for he (the redeemed man) shall yet live forever; not he shall see corruption (of the soul in the grave).”
    This is the dilemma the early Christians faced.

    Let’s go back to where it all began in the Garden of Eden. Virtually God said to Adam and Eve via the judgment, “the wage of sin, is eternal death.” The sin is identified as “disobedience” to God. God then become the standard, His word then paramount.

    With the Fall of Man comes the problem of how to obtain eternal life. The thing to prevail over forth ward is the “eternal death sentence” for both saint and sinner. Someone must pay the price for the Fall of Man, or there is no hope for eternal life.

    The Israelites tried to deal with the daily sins of man by the Sacrifice which God declared to be an “iniquity”, placing the burden of guilt upon the priesthood.

    (Quoted Out of Context) “To believe in the crucified one is to want no other victims of ritual killing. To depend on the blood of Jesus is to refuse to depend on the sacrificial blood offerings of the Levitical priesthood. It is to swear off scapegoats. Sacred redemption promises offerings of future atonement within the priesthood in accordance to righteousness.”
    “Seen from this perspective, the somewhat obscure actions of Christ make complete sense. Jesus, in the role of a victorious Messiah defeated the opposing evil of the “iniquitous gift” by a direct battle. God would never build a new world on “ritual murder”. God found a way- once and for all- to turn to good what man had founded in evil.”
    “Jesus steps into this double bind and overcome it. No other than the Messiah could. This task is appointed to him alone. No ordinary victim could change the process, could uncover what was obscured in the constant practice of scapegoating.”
    “To submit passively to the sacrificial mechanism would do nothing to change it. That only smoothes the way for future victims and condemns them to invisibility. Such is the dilemma, the malignant wisdom of an evil that we seem doomed to serve whichever way we turn. Humanity is caught in this bondage, caught without even being able to name it directly. We know not what we do.”
    “Redemptive violence- was a means of overcoming eternal punishment for the sin, removing the pollution and punishing the transgression on the people that has brought disaster on the community. The sin that the Messiah overcame was the offense of the scapegoat, for it was the sin of the one that jeopardized the many.”
    “Only a Jew, representing the “guilt” of the nation of priests could undeniably vindicate many, by suffering this sacrifice, to reverse it. The work of the cross is the work of a transcendent (awe-inspiring) God, breaking into a cycle we could not change alone. It is a saving act of God, a victory over the powers of this world, a defeat of death.”

    God hates the plunder in a burnt offering.

    The Lamb of God
    Jesus is the Christ, yet a man born through the blood-line of David, a necessary requirement for the fulfillment of scripture. Thusly, his humanity is established. At most at this stage he could only be deemed half a God. We are confronted with many sons of God but only ONE son of God. The One son of God is the Mighty God, manifesting the ucorruptible Word of God and His plan for Salvation.

    Jesus set the way, as witnessed through the salvation of God, manifest in his ascension, thusly, becoming the way to truth and life walking in the way of righteousness, along the paths of justice.

    JESUS TAUGHT – Matthew 9:13 “…’No need have those being strong of a healer, but those having (physical, spiritual, or moral) illness. But learn what it is: ‘I desire mercy, and not sacrifice;’ for not I (Jesus) came to call righteous (ones) but sinners to repentance.’”

  13. Dave C.

    Dave,
    Does the church teach that we are the literal spiritual offspring of God? Are we his literal spiritual offspring in the same sense that Jesus was his literal spirtual offspring? What about the “intelligence” issue? Were we “organized” from some sort of “intelligence” or were we born?

    As mortals we know that a child is the result of a union inheriting qualities from both parents. In a “perfect” union between two “perfect” beings, would not their offspring be like them?

    In a perfect union between two perfect beings, would one offspring be bright and the other a dullard? Would one be handsome and the other ugly? Would there be one be intelligent and another more intelligent than they all?

    Are there spiritual birth defects? Are some spirit children of God born without divine nature? Is the eternal seed of the Gods unable to always produce a spirit child who has all the potential of his or her parents?

  14. Dave

    Dave C,

    That’s a lot of good questions. I’ll write some of my thoughts on the first few, and maybe I can do some more reading and get back to you on some of the others, though I suspect that you would do just as well as I would looking for the answers. Maybe some of the other contributors can contribute some thoughts. But you being yourself a Mormon, as I assume you are, I would also be interested to know what you believe (this being a site about what Mormons believe).

    Does the church teach that we are the literal spiritual offspring of God?
    I think the phrase “literal spiritual” is a little bit funny, but yes, if you search “literal spiritual” in lds.org, you will see plenty of references to God as our literal spiritual Father. And I think the phrase is used to distinguish his fatherhood in the more literal #1 sense (in the above post) from his fatherhood in the #3 sense, because they are both “spiritual.”

    Are we his literal spiritual offspring in the same sense that Jesus was his literal spiritual offspring? < /i>
    That’s my understanding. Jesus, the “elder brother”, the “firstborn” is definitely special, but it doesn’t appear to be some sort of fundamental difference.

    were we “organized” from some sort of “intelligence” or were we born? < /i>
    Considering that we are talking about our spirits, I’m not sure those mutually exclusive. But if what you’re asking is “is there a part of us (ie “intelligence”) that was not created by God?” I think the answer is yes (see D&C 93:29).

    Your other questions seem to revolve around the question of how exactly the literal spiritual begetting works, and exactly to what extent our spiritual selves are created by God. I don’t have the foggiest idea how it works, or what exactly the metaphysical composition of our spirits is, even enough to speculate, but I am certainly interested in people’s opinions on the subject.

  15. Jose

    Really quick. God told Moses “no man can see God and live” so here is where u do your part. Read Genesis 18 and verse 1 of chapter 19. Ask yourself this question “if no man can see God and live, who was he talking to?” There are many other verses like this one for example Genesis 32:24-31. The person both were talking about was God or LORD. This person is Jesus. Not a created being but God himself.

  16. Dave

    Jose,

    I did my part and read your scriptures.  There is a scripture that says no man can see God and live.  There are also numerous scriptures about people seeing or talking to the LORD or God.  

    1)  What do any of those scriptures have to do with Jesus?  (A lot of Mormons would agree with you that who Moses was talking to was Jesus, by the way)

    2)  Even if was Jesus they were talking to, what does that have to do with whether or not Jesus is created?

  17. Ron

    @Dave, what I think Jose is referring to is that Jesus, being God himself, existed in the triune deity prior to being born as a man on earth.  Thus, he was in existence as God the son even before taking earthly form.  So the scriptures about people seeing and talking to the Lord or God could be referring to the Son of God, who was and is and is to come.

  18. Dave

    @Ron, Agreed about Jesus being with God before taking earthly form.  Agreed that the people seeing and talking to the Lord or God could be referring to the Son of God.  So. . . I guess that settles that?

  19. joanne brown

    There is only one god and jesus christ is a great prophet born to a virgin through the power of god who can perform anything.In the Koran it teaches that when the jews came to enquire about the birth of Jesus, Jesus sat up in the cradle and told them that he was a great prophet from  God and that a book would be written in his name

  20. Jon

    @Joanne
    Unfortunately for that theory, Jesus called himself the son of God in the Bible.  And so, if Jesus is only a prophet than he is a FALSE prophet according to Deuteronomy 18:20-22
    Jesus was God in the flesh walking this earth, and still is God today. Jesus and the Father are one.
    John 14:10

    1 Timothy 3:16
    And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
    “Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I have said you are gods’? If he called them ‘gods,’ to whom the word of God came—and the Scripture cannot be broken— what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, ‘I am God’s Son’?”

    John 10:34-36

    “Then the high priest stood up before them and asked Jesus, “Are you not going to answer? What is this testimony that these men are bringing against you?” But Jesus remained silent and gave no answer.
    Again the high priest asked him, “Are you the Christ,[Messiah] the Son of the Blessed One?”

    “I am,” said Jesus. “And you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven.”

    Mark 14:60-62

    He accepted this address by Thomas:

    “A week later his disciples were in the house again, and Thomas was with them. Though the doors were locked, Jesus came and stood among them and said, “Peace be with you!” Then he said to Thomas, “Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe.”

    Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!”

    Then Jesus told him, “Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”

    John 20:26-29

    Both at His baptism and on the Mount of Transfiguration; the Father speaking from heaven declared Jesus to be his Beloved Son, to whom we should give heed.
    He confirmed it again, by raising Him from the dead.

    “Paul, a servant of Christ Jesus, called to be an apostle and set apart for the gospel of God— the gospel he promised beforehand through his prophets in the Holy Scriptures regarding his Son, who as to his human nature was a descendant of David, and who through the Spirit[a] of holiness was declared with power to be the Son of God by his resurrection from the dead: Jesus Christ our Lord.”

    Romans 1:1-4

  21. Jose

    @Ron, i couldnt have said it better.  That is exactly what I meant.  Jesus is God. There is only one. Not one person/entity but one unit.  You are wrong to say that we are all children of God bc even Jesus referred to some as children of the father of lies. In the 1st chapter of John, Scripture tells us to those that have believed in the name of Jesus, they are the ones who are children of God. Begotten does not mean born of.. It shows that Jesus is the Son of God, in a manner no other person can be. It actually shows that he is OF the substance of God and truly Divine. The term only begotten shows that Christ is not a son by title, or a son by creation, but is truly the filial Son of God.truly God and truly man. That fact also puts into question your explanation of Jesus and Satan being related. Satan was created by Jesus (because according to John 1:3 everything that is in existence was by created Him and Gen 1:1 declares who “Him” is) Finally I’d like to address this remark:  They are brothers in the sense that we are all brothers and sisters, spiritual offspring of the same Father. you cant compare us with angels, which by the way is what Satan is. Scripture clearly tells us that WE were created in His image. I am concerned that you have a total misconception of our God. You dont need the book of Mormon or any other alternate source to tell you what the Bible reveals.

  22. Emma

     I am a nondenominational Christian and just would like to tell all mormons one thing, according to the definition of a christian you have to believe that Jesus Christ is the one and only son of God, no “in the flesh” or anything, just the one and only son of God. If you truly believe this then i will leave you alone.
      Also, the whole spirit babies thing is just weird and creepy.  
       And there is no book of Moses in the Bible!
     

  23. Dave

    @ Emma,

    Nice definition of Christian.  Did you come up with it yourself?

    Also, when did we go from “God is the Father of our spirits” to ghost babies?  Oh, it must be the phrase “spirit children” that is your hangup.  You’re right, that does sound a bit like ghost babies. Here, I’ll change the wording for you.  That better?

    Anyway, I’m afraid what I believe is up there in the article, so it’s possible you’ll have to follow through with your threat to hound me about it.  I like you, though, so I don’t mind. 

  24. Emma

    Ive done a lot of research and according to your beliefs, when you go to heaven your wife will be eternally pregnant and her spirit babies are the babies down on earth.  With that in mind, when you say that we are spiritual children is a lot different from when I say we are spiritual children because I don’t believe that a mormon wife in heaven had me as a spirit child.  Also if you look at my post again I never said ghost babies, I said spirit babies there is a difference ,and implying that I was saying ghost babies makes my comment seem silly which is not what I was going for at all.

  25. Dave

    Emma,

    Sorry, I thought when you made that comment about “spirit babies”, you were going for silly.  It’s a silly sounding phrase, and–this may surprise you–I’ve never heard it in any Mormon teachings in all my 30-some-odd years as a Mormon.  Nor have I heard anything about being “eternally pregnant” or you being born to a “mormon wife in heaven.”

    So anyway, you’re clearly getting fed some ridiculous sounding things about Mormon beliefs.  Some of it seems like it could have come from somewhere (we do believe, for instance, that families will perpetuate in the afterlife)  In your lot of research which you’ve done about Mormons, have you ever considered reading, say, a Mormon website?  Or asking, say, a Mormon?  

    I will provide you some things to get you started.  

    Mormons you can chat online with and ask about our beliefs: 
    http://mormon.org/chat/

    Mormons you can talk to in person:
    http://mormon.org/missionaries/

    Reasonably legitimate online sources of doctrine about being children of God:
    http://mormon.org/faith/
    http://mormon.org/plan-of-happiness/
    http://mormonbeliefs.org/mormon_beliefs/mormon-beliefs-the-plan-of-salvation/the-plan-of-salvation-the-pre-existence
    http://www.whatdomormonsbelieve.com/2009/09/scriptural-evidence-of-a-pre-existence/

    Thank you, Emma the nondenominational christian, for telling all mormons your one thing.  Best of luck!

  26. Emma

    Actually I get all my information from ex-Temple mormons so its pretty accurate.

  27. Dave

    Funny you mention those guys, because I was just considering starting up an alternative website at
    http://www.what_do_ex-mormons_say_that_mormons_believe.com

  28. Patty

    Dave,
    I understand what Emma is referring to.  She, of course, doesn’t use Mormon vernacular, but for someone outside of Mormonism, she used language clear enough to be unmistakable: it’s the Mormon doctrine of “eternal increase.”
     
    While you may have not heard those specific phrases as a Mormon, the concept is undeniable.
     
    You say “families will perpetuate in the afterlife.” That is what she means by “spirit babies” and wives being eternally pregnant.  It is easy to understand how some Mormons, ex-Mormons, and non-Mormons can come to this very same conclusion.  For example:
     
    Her phrase “spirit babies…”
    10th president of the church, Joseph Fielding Smith wrote in Doctrines of Salvation, “SPIRIT CHILDREN IN THE RESURRECTION. Those who attain to the exaltation in the celestial kingdom shall have the power of eternal increase of posterity, and they shall be ‘above all, because all things are subject unto them.’ Children born to parents who have obtained, through their faithfulness, the fulness of these blessings, shall be spirit children not clothed upon with tabernacles of flesh and bones.  These children will be like we were before we came into this world.”
     
    or, eternally pregnant…
    Henry B. Eyring in General Conference of 2008 said, “…that we will gain the fulness of His glory and live as He lives.  We will have the blessing of being sealed in a family forever with the promise of eternal increase”
     
    or, as Emma says, “a mormon wife in heaven had me as a spirit child…” (Mormon wife being the equivalent to heavenly mother)
    Apostle Bruce R. McConkie in Mormon Doctrine p. 517 said, “Mortal persons who overcome all things and gain an ultimate exaltation will live eternally in the family unit and have spirit children, thus becoming Eternal Fathers and Eternal Mothers. (D&C 132:19-32) Indeed, the formal pronouncement of the Church, issued by the First Presidency and the Council of the Twelve, states: ‘So far as the stages of eternal progression and attainment have been made known through divine revelation, we are to understand that only resurrected and glorified beings can become parents of spirit offspring.'”
     
    again, born of a heavenly mother/mormon wife…
    The Mormon church manual, Achieving a Celestial Marriage, 1976, p. 129 says, “By definition exaltation includes the ability to procreate the family unit throughout eternity.  This our Father in heaven has power to do.  His marriage partner is our mother in heaven.  We are their spirit children, born to them in the bonds of celestial marriage.”
     
    This is how one prominent Mormon and author, David R. Ridges, understands this doctrine as stated in Mormon Beliefs and Doctrines Made Easier, p. 88: “Those who live worthy to become gods will live as husbands and wives eternally and will have the blessing of ‘eternal increase,’ in other words, of having unlimited number of spirit children.  Spirit children will be born to them as offspring, just as we were to our heavenly parents. This is also referred to as ‘a continuation of the seeds forever and ever.  As gods, they will create worlds for their spirit children and send them through the same ‘great plan of happiness that the Father has in place for us.”
     

  29. dont believe god have son wait than okay god has son okay where his wife why peope dont talk about his wife they only talk about his son and god dont has son you have to put in all mind god dont has no son

  30. James

    I think the one thing that’s being left out in this discussion is that Jesus was the only Son of God begotten of the Holy Spirit.  Yes, in a sense we are all children of God because all things come from God but Jesus was the only Son of God begotten of the Holy Spirit and born of a virgin.  Jacob, Solomon, and others were begotten of God to the extent that we all are but only Jesus was begotten of the Holy Spirit.  Therefore, God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit are one in the same, also known as the Holy Trinity.  Jesus is the one and only Son of God in the literal sense.

  31. Graham

    I am amazed that such seeking for truth should lead anyone to Mormonism! Joseph Smith was 14 years old when he came out of the forest claiming an angel revealed the whereabouts of golden tablets that he translated into the book of Mormon. Fantasy, delusion or manipulation – sorry guys it wont stack up!

  32. Jodie

    Graham,

    You are not alone in being amazed in Joseph Smith’s story. He himself said that he didn’t blame anyone for not believing his story – that if he hadn’t experienced what he had, he wouldn’t believe it himself. I think one of the strengths of our Church is that we don’t expect anyone to believe us just because we say so. We ask you to study the gospel and then pray and ask God if what you’ve learned is true.

    If it makes you feel better, though, Joseph Smith had his vision when he was 14, but he didn’t receive the plates and start translating them until he was 20. If you’d like to read the account, you can find it here.

  33. Stephen

    Well being raised a Catholic and then leaving that man made belief system after finding out so many popes had mistresses, one was a coke head, they claim they are infallible, yet protect child molesters and who knows, some of the popes may have molested children too?
    I’m just a believer in God. Simple. He is my heavenly father so I call him ‘Dad’ with great respect. With Jesus being his son, and being here before I arrived, he’s my ‘big brother’ so I call him that. In fact I don’t even pray anymore. I just try to talk to them as if in a family setting around a dinner table or something like that. I hope they hear me, and at times I can say they have and have answered my requests.
    So I’m going to let other dogs stay on their front porch and continue to believe in my heavenly father and his son, more kindly referred to as “Dad and Big Brother”.
    I’ll let them do the judging. Just everyone, leave me to my beliefs.
    Stephen

  34. Follower of THE Christ

    Jesus was the Messiah!! The Christ!! There is only ONE!! He was fully human and fully God and no human son of God like you and I will ever be equal to Jesus. He lived a perfect live and never sinned! Therefore God has exhalted him to the right hand of God and given him a name that is ABOVE every other name, that at the name of Jesus every knee will bow in heaven and in earth and every tongue proclaim that HE IS LORD. All the rest of us are under Grace, not ever being able to be worthy to be in the presence of God except that the blood of Jesus covers us!!
    And the whole thing about Satan being the brother of Jesus is not Biblical, Satan is a fallen ANGEL. Angels are not children of God. ??? If you really believe the Bible and all that it proclaims, you can never believe that “Jesus is not only the son of God but our Redeemer”, (that is just a twist of the scripture). You must believe that Jesus was the ONLY BEGOTTEN Son of God, if not today, you will find out when He returns to call His children home. You will bow before him and proclaim Him Lord of All, either now or later. I pray you do now so you can live abundantly in Christ today!!

  35. Willie

    As a Mormon, in reply to the comment just above:
    Jesus was the Messiah!! Correct. The Christ!! Correct. There is only ONE!! Correct. He was fully human and fully God (correct) and no human son of God like you and I will ever be equal to Jesus. Yes, he will always be our Redeemer. He lived a perfect live and never sinned! Correct. Therefore God has exhalted him to the right hand of God and given him a name that is ABOVE every other name, that at the name of Jesus every knee will bow in heaven and in earth and every tongue proclaim that HE IS LORD. Correct. All the rest of us are under Grace, not ever being able to be worthy to be in the presence of God except that the blood of Jesus covers us!! Correct.

    And the whole thing about Satan being the brother of Jesus is not Biblical, Satan is a fallen ANGEL. While Satan is a fallen “angel”, see my next question. Angels are not children of God. ??? Do you have a source for this claim? If you really believe the Bible and all that it proclaims, you can never believe that “Jesus is not only the son of God but our Redeemer”, (that is just a twist of the scripture). So you don’t believe that Jesus is the son of God? Or you don’t believe that he is your Redeemer? I don’t see why I can’t believe that he is both. You must believe that Jesus was the ONLY BEGOTTEN Son of God, if not today, you will find out when He returns to call His children home. Correct. This was established above that Jesus is the Only Begotten Son of God. You will bow before him and proclaim Him Lord of All, either now or later. Correct. I pray you do now so you can live abundantly in Christ today!! Likewise.

  36. Sinbad

    BUT, do Mormons believe that Jesus was born of the Virgin Mary?
    Christians believe this but not sure Mormons do.
    Do Mormons believe there is only 1 God and if so why do they try to become gods themselves?

  37. Stephen Haley

    First of all forgive my spelling on some items in this post.
    None of us know exactly what is and what is not concerning all things we relate to whom we call God.
    To begin with not many know that the first time God introduced Himself to Adam, He did so by saying ‘I am Hasheem’. He never said ‘I am your God’. This is if you believe the oldest written records, the Jewish Word. They, the Jews never used the term Bible with respect to their beliefs, this is a European/Western term that was coined. Also their Word was never referred to as the Old Testament by them, this too was a European/Western term that was coined.
    We’re all children of God/Hasheem, so since Jesus was born before me, he is my big brother. And God is my father. I refer to them respectfully as Dad and Big Brother because I feel I am in their family. This is more important than any man made religion so I feel comfortable in speaking to them as family members.
    Most people don’t realize that God/Hasheem refers to Himself as an Elohim and even uses the pluralistic form of this word which indicates there must be other deities? than Himself? Possibly his subordinates?
    In Genesis it is written in all so called Bibles, that God said ‘Let us make man in our image’. This causes some thought regarding who ‘we’ actually is. Since angels cannot create life it tends to support the possibility that our God has others He works with either on an equal level, or as their overlord or God of Gods which is easily understood could be a possibility.
    I can’t go into everything that comes across this blog in detail since each topic requires a special response IMHO, so I’ll leave it as is and if anyone has any further questions or comments I’d be happy to hear them. I’m not here to cause commotion or create friction. We are here with the same God over us all and have been given the charge to be good people. He and only He can judge us, so please don’t judge me as I am not judging anyone’s statements or positions regarding any topic on this forum.
    I like to learn how others think and then consider their beliefs to better understand my own.
    Stephen

  38. Stephen Haley

    Virginity?
    Since in the times before Jesus, and even during his existence here on earth, there were no words (Hebrew/greek/etc) that were used for the term ‘wife’.
    Marriage was nothing like it is now in modern day earth for the most part.
    When a man and a woman were joined it was a family affair and many many persons were involved in the match making. Normally individuals did not go off to the local oasis and see some fine maiden or man and choose to peruse them as their wife/husband.
    Mating or matching up people was first done to proliferate the species in a good a choice as possible and unfortunately included gifts from the woman’s family to the mans family. These gifts had to be accepted before the joining could take place.
    So what we look to these days as marriage is really nothing in comparison to what happened before/during/and for centuries after Jesus.
    Just a little info to chew on.
    Stephen

  39. Stephen Haley

    In response to Willie above.

    I’m not certain that you can say Jesus never sinned. One would have to assume that all through his life he never got mad at another kid, pushed another kid, said no to his parents, and all the other things that children do as part of learning how to be a person. I’m not going to say I know for a fact that Jesus did or did not commit a sin since I was not there. I do believe strongly in the belief that Jesus and Mary Magdalen may have been very close. Possibly even to the point of a physical relationship and here is why.
    In the beginning, in Eden, there were two (what I call hippie youngsters) people running around in the garden of Eden stark naked. Everything is perfect for them as God had planned for them. Eve was made as a helper for Adam after (who knows how many decades or centuries went by) he saw so many other animals with partners and he wanted one for himself. Seems logical in my opinion that God would do this for his lonely creation.
    Now here comes the twist that you can’t argue with: Never in the garden of Eden were there any children born and we know that if Adam and Eve were normal healthy humans as we are (being made in Gods image) they had feelings, emotions, needs, etc. Which is also totally normal. So God made us ‘like He is’, ‘in His image’ with all the working body parts He has/had at that time. He gave Adam and Eve this physical relationship to enjoy between the two of them (since there were only two human creations in the Garden of Eden as far as I know). They had sex, just say it and accept it. And had sex without children as a result of sex. Kinda contradicts all the Christianity teachings we have been told over the past millennial doesn’t it?
    Here is the thing. Sex in and of it’s self is not bad. It was given to us by GOD. God would not give us something bad or set up the tables to have us fall into sin on purpose. He gave it to us because it was something He felt was beautiful and pleasurable and that He hoped A&E would use it happily, and often I believe.
    But here we go, humans got into the mix and turned a beautiful gift into a problem for us all. Not God, humans did this. What He created was perfect, what we did with it turned it in some cases into some thing ugly and abusive. Nevertheless, what God gave us, was beautiful.
    Angels are angels. Whether or not they are human as we are I cannot say but since God made us in His image He may have also made angels in His image. There would be no reason not to. Angels may in fact be a better human form than we are. They have our frailties it seems, since many fell from His grace because of envy, am I not right?
    So before any of you take something to heart so rigidly that you cannon accept your fellow man/woman as they are and simply allow God to do the judging think about what I’ve written. We’re all here at Gods leisure and we are here to prove to Him we deserve life everlasting, and that’s it. We’re not supposed to be judge/juror/executioner of others beliefs.
    Stephen

  40. Stephen Haley

    James, you stated:

    James
    April 24, 2012 at 9:58 am

    I think the one thing that’s being left out in this discussion is that Jesus was the only Son of God begotten of the Holy Spirit. Yes, in a sense we are all children of God because all things come from God but Jesus was the only Son of God begotten of the Holy Spirit and born of a virgin. Jacob, Solomon, and others were begotten of God to the extent that we all are but only Jesus was begotten of the Holy Spirit. Therefore, God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit are one in the same, also known as the Holy Trinity. Jesus is the one and only Son of God in the literal sense.
    *****************************************
    What I’d like you to understand is that your beliefs are your beliefs and I urge you to protect them as you feel is best for you. But you have to understand that most of what is called the New Testament was written somewhere between 80 and 140 years after Jesus’ death. Now Jesus was 33 and I’d suspect that most of his apostles were his age or near his age. So 80/140 years after his death the apostles would range in age from 113 to 173 years of age. It’s not likely that most of them actually survived that long but I’m not making that judgment. I’m just saying that most of the New Testament is written in a manner more like a story told from grandfather to father to son unlike the Hebrew text that was written in the moment and records kept so precise that the greek scribes could take those records and translate them for centuries in to what is called the Old Testament (a term the Jews never used) and is still being printed to this date.
    So it’s hard to make clear ‘my way or the highway’ statements about anything other than your beliefs will get you to God one day if your heart is pure and your deeds are sincere. That’s all it takes. God knows we’re all sinners and none of us will ever be the exception to that one statement. We are all sinners, yet He forgives us if we are sincere in our hearts, when asking for forgiveness.

  41. Stephen Haley

    Jose, I don’t believe your post is really accurate back on February 24, 2012 at 1:34 am
    I read your quote but you must have missed something somewhere.

    We, humans, are all children of god. He created us. We are his children and we will ‘return to the father’ if we have lived a good/righteous life. All God ever asked of us was what he told the prophet Amos. “I want an honest and righteous world.” That’s all he told Amos to spread. He said he (God) would turn his back on all the psalms,prayers,hymns,sacrifices,dancing, and synagogues because He only wanted this one simple thing, an honest and righteous world.
    Stephen

  42. Stephen Haley

    Sinbad you wrote:

    Sinbad
    January 13, 2013 at 8:35 pm

    BUT, do Mormons believe that Jesus was born of the Virgin Mary?
    Christians believe this but not sure Mormons do.
    Do Mormons believe there is only 1 God and if so why do they try to become gods themselves?

    Why does it matter to you what others believe if they live a good honest and righteous life here on earth and believe in God totally?
    Stephen

  43. Bill

    @Stephen — You sound like a man of great faith. Good luck on your spiritual journey. Whether you call it prayer or not, I would say that your “dinner table conversations” are the essence of what prayer is. Please feel free to look around and see what we believe as well.

    @Sinbad — Yes, we believe that Jesus was born of the Virgin Mary (and yes, we believe that she was still a virgin when He was born — Some scriptures from the Book of Mormon here, here, and here).

    As far as becoming like our Father in Heaven, that is an excellent question. Yes, we believe in only one God, but we believe that just as a child can eventually grow to become like his or her father or mother, we can grow, through Christ (and ONLY through Him), to become like our Father in Heaven. It’s often said that “imitation is the highest form of flattery.” If we love, honor, admire, and respect God so much, shouldn’t we do our best to live as He would have us live (which, by His example, is in large part how He lives). This site has an excellent summary of our beliefs in this regard here. Thanks.

  44. Stephen

    I believe any/all church/religion/etc is purely man made.

    There are no religions that God/Jesus adheres to. They expect us to simply believe in them as they are, live a good life, and trust that if one does more good than bad, they have a good chance of making it to eternal happiness. Or so I believe.

    I do not hold any religion above or below any other. I believe that no matter what religion a person adheres to it’s their life, their actions, that will be judged. So a good christian, mormon, jew, muslim, etc; all will have an equal chance of eternal happiness if they are good people and live good lives.

    I just have so many issues with the many different preachings by so many preachers that bewilder me since they should have all read the same ancient documents I and millions of others have read.

    Why one religion says this and another says that is what is confusing and what puts most people off when regarding man made organized religions.

    Amos the sheppard was told by God that he, God, would turn his back on all the prayers, psalms, rituals, sacrifices, etc, etc, etc; that man/humans had created.

    He only wanted one thing:
    A just and righteous world.

    That tells me that man made religion is unimportant to God and that living, or trying to live a just and righteous life while loving and honoring God and His son Jesus is enough, if one is sincere.

    I always get angry feedback from christians of all veins of christianity when they hear this. They each say their way is the only way, their church is the only church, etc, etc. If you do not believe their way, you will go to hell in a hand basket.

    It’s really getting old.
    I judge no one and accept everyones choices. I just like to learn and to do so on this topic, one has to converse and interact in a friendly manner and have an interest in understanding and learning from other’s ideas, that’s all.

    Stephen

  45. Stephen

    Without starting up another argument instead of a simple conversation, and , understanding I believe in Jesus as the son of God, but I believe he is really a ‘son’ of God, in the same respect as I am the son of my biological father and a child (therefore a son) of God.
    Why, does God say in Hosea (I believe) “I am the one, I am the only one, I am the only savior.”
    Now I’m not quoting exactly and may even have the book wrong but it’s there and I’ll do more research if you folks don’t already know what I’m talking about.
    If God is what he says he is, we have a conflict with saying Jesus is the only savior, or at least it seems to me to be a conflict.
    And please don’t go down that road about God and Jesus being the one and same. One is God, the other is his son, that too is in the bible I believe. Nowhere in the oldest of texts, the Hebrew Word or Tanaka (spelling?) does it refer to God and Jesus being one in the same.
    Just asking, so don’t go ballistic like some posters seem to need to do, okay?

  46. Marie

    Stephen,

    I hope every visitor in this site would be as nice as you. Keep up the good faith. And may Heavenly Father grant you a genuine happiness as you go along in this mortal life.

    Love,
    Marie