摩門教徒基督徒的書
由布雷摩門教的書，公元前600年和公元400年之間，居住在美洲的尼腓人，在歷史上的最高分，一個正直的人。 也就是說，他們其中建立基督的教會，他們在被教導耶穌基督的福音。 他們住的摩西律法，並不停地給神的先知，他們的誡命。 在邪惡的時候，他們通過刀劍和飢荒的主謙卑。 在公義的時候，他們的繁榮和給予的力量來保護自己，從他們的敵人。 這是主所作的承諾。 “[主]祂所說：因為你們要守我誡命的，你們應在土地蓬勃發展，但因為你們不守我誡命你們應切斷從我的存在”（ 尼腓二書1:20 ）。
有許多預言和經典的尼腓和他們指出到耶穌還沒有來到。 名為尼腓，誰住約公元前600年，先知寫道，“我們談論基督，在基督裡我們欣喜，我們傳揚基督，我們預言基督，我們根據我們的預言寫，我們的孩子可能知道什麼源，他們可能會尋求緩解了他們的罪惡“（ 尼腓二書25:26 ）。 他們期待著走向基督在以同樣的方式，我們期待在他的生活在地球上，並期待他第二次來。 其他先知，如本傑明 ， Abinadi ， 阿爾瑪和許多其他的教導關於基督的人，以及他們的證詞。 他們都知道基督知道他會來贖回他的人。
在這本書的摩門教的所有的故事，經驗教訓和預言，沒有強大也不是耶穌基督在美洲大陸訪問時，這裡的人們如此重視。 僅僅五年，他出生前，先知被送往間名為塞繆爾人。 他的預言格外平原和精確。
不料，他對他們說：看哪，我給你們一個標誌;五年來了，不料，就來神的兒子，以換取所有那些應相信他的名字。 不料，這將我賜給你們在他來時的徵兆;看哪，必有偉大的燈在天上，以致的前一天晚上他來了，有沒有黑暗，以致眾人應顯出男子彷彿是一天。 因此，應當有一天，一個晚上，一天......，它應是前一天晚上，他出生。 不料，有一個新的明星出現，因為你們從來沒有見過這樣的人。 誰知這還不是全部，應當有許多跡象表明，在天上的奇觀。 希拉曼書14:2-6
預言和基督的死的跡象。
但是，看哪，我告訴你關於另一個跡象表示，他的死亡的標誌，不料......太陽就變黑了......月亮和星星;不得有面對這片土地時，即使從一次，他應受到死亡的時候，他應當從死裡復活，再次。 是啊，當時他產生了鬼應多小時的空間雷轟和閃電，大地震動和顫抖......應當有，現在很多地方，這應成為山區的山谷......應打破了許多公路，許多城市將成為荒涼。 和許多墳墓被打開，許多聖人應顯出許多。 希拉曼14:20-25
塞繆爾還解釋基督在地球上的使命和他的未來的重要性。 大多數人不相信撒母耳的話，但是這並沒有阻止他們來傳遞。 晚上住點亮五年後，被視為一個新的明星。 三十三年後，地震和風暴夷為平地的城市，並在三天黑暗盛行。 倖存者，然而，基督本人出現。
章節通過28 11 3尼包含他的話，人民的言行。 他允許他們來給他第一手的證人是他復活的現實。 他選擇了12名男子是教師和領導，給他們的權力和戒律有關的洗禮。 然後，他給所有的人的話，他就在山上寶訓的猶太人（見馬太福音5和尼腓三12 ）。
在接下來的幾天，他繼續教給他們的經文， 醫治他們的病 ，給他們的聖餐 ，並與他們祈禱 。 我會鼓勵大家讀這些話，因為他們是這樣的感人例子基督的愛為他的人民。 ，這次訪問是對人的影響是不會被遺忘。 千百年來，人在的話，耶穌給他們的勤奮和它是不直到他們從這些話，他們沒有失敗，只是事前預測多次。
這本書的摩門教是一個了不起的書，包含了許多經驗教訓，是適用於我們的生活。 它也顯示了崇高的真理，耶穌是基督 ，他傳達自己對他的人在這裡古時。 他們知道他是他們從死亡和罪惡的救主，他們聽從他的話，受到祝福的。 同樣擁有真正為我們的今天。 通過他們的證詞和聖靈的見證，我們可以知道那些相同的真理。
告訴如此簡單和摩門教的書是如何以基督為中心的感謝。
所有摩門教徒和那些正在考慮moromonism以確保有一項諒解，我想談一談。 主神是唯一的神...時期。 有只有一個天堂，那裡只有一條路，而且是通過耶穌基督的救恩。 你必須問到你的心，進入你的生命，他是你的救主。 只有當你接受他，你會明白他的計劃，為您的生活。 不要緊，你是什麼樣的宗教。 浸信會，美南浸信會，五旬節，長老，等神宗教不關心，他關心你的心，你知道他知道你的心。 有沒有去地獄，獲得潔淨你的罪，被允許進入天堂。 你不相信主的教誨以外的任何教導。 我愛你們所有人祈禱，主罷了，你將他的聖靈，並提請你靠近他！ 你會來知道他和個人的關係，他正在等待與你！
以及感謝您的意見，馬蘭達。 它看起來像你聽說過我們的信仰摩門教之外的其他人。 你為什麼不圍繞一個網站上的點點戳，看看我們真的相信嗎？
嘿賽迪斯 - 這是布蘭登。 希望遠足順利。
我有一些關於尼腓和考古學的問題。 我並不想只是挑剔或點出錯誤，但是這一群人有多大？ 他們在哪裡地理美洲？ 他們已經發現他們的紀錄？
尼腓埋藏的黃金書，史密斯發現...在哪裡？ 也許我的故事有錯。
無論如何...感謝您的時間...只是我有一些問題。
布蘭登，很好聽，你！ 我還沒有真正被遠足自精靈谷，但隨著學期即將超過，我希望能盡快改變這種狀況。
謝謝你問這些重要的問題。 大量的研究已經進入書摩門教土地的數量驚人的佐證證據已經打開，但大多數考古學家和人類學家說，我們只觸及表面。
今天的研究人員之間的普遍看法是，在新的世界“的摩門教覆蓋幾百英里的一個非常有限的地理 ，李海的家庭可能已經在這裡與文化整合。 在夫婦的後代李海艦也許幾十人激增到兩個偉大的文明：尼腓和拉曼。 後來在這本書的人都以百萬計。
還有一些關於尼腓和拉曼居住的地方正是爭議，但之間的學者越來越多的共識放置在中美洲（墨西哥南部和危地馬拉）。 土地比賽，在這本書的摩門教描述， 文明在數百萬的出現。 尼腓文明與後期Preclassic瑪雅人通常匹配，的Jaredites（早期的摩門教組書）與奧爾梅克確定的。
布蘭登，因為你是在危地馬拉，你是在尋找到這些索賠一些自己令人羨慕的位置。 我很樂意跟你繼續討論這個話題。
人們普遍認為，在旅途中，摩門教的兒子（很大程度上編譯黃金板塊的傢伙）莫羅尼了板中美洲海岸到紐約，在那裡他埋葬在山上斯密約瑟找到後來。 當然，這樣一個偶然的事件系列只能歸結為來自上帝的一個奇蹟，但是這本書的存在。
莫羅尼知道，在票面價值的書，對某些人來說將是困難的。 在他的最後一章中，他建議我們去到極致，最終的權力，並詢問他是否是所有真正的：
“看哪，我勸你們，當你們讀這些東西，如果它是上帝的智慧，你們應該讀他們，你們會記得多麼仁慈的耶和華你們孩子的男人，從創造亞當，甚至直到這個時候你們收到這些東西，並思考在你的心中。
“當你們收到這些東西，我勸你們，你們會問神，永恆之父，在基督的名，如果這些東西都不是真實的;如果你們要問用一顆真誠的心與真實意圖，在基督的信仰，他會體現它的真相告訴你們，通過聖靈的力量。
“聖靈的力量，你們可知道所有事情的真相。” 摩羅乃書10:3-5
我知道這本書的摩門教是真實的，因為我的天父已經回答了我的禱告。 考古學曾備份和加強這種原始的證詞，但它是很難的最終權力，當涉及到宗教的真理。 你也將使它的禱告事項？
嘿賽迪斯 -
為解決這些問題的感謝。 我在危地馬拉，但我發現瑪雅歷史研究會不給你鼓勵。 但是你提出了一個不同點，我想討論。 無論什麼考古挖掘（字面意思），它不會影響你在這本書的摩門教的真實性的信念，所以我沒有看到任何需要進一步討論。
我有一個很難調和從第1章彼得下面的詩句：
“1Simon彼得，一個僕人，耶穌基督的使徒，他們與我們一樣寶貴信心獲得通過神和我們的救主耶穌基督的義：
2Grace和和平乘以你們通過上帝的知識，和我們的主耶穌3According作為自己的神聖權力，祂所賜給我們屬於你們生命和虔敬，通過對他的知識，所有的東西，那召我們的榮耀和美德：4Whereby賜給我們超過偉大和珍貴的承諾：你們這些可能是神聖的性質有分，有逃脫的腐敗慾望，在世界上是通過“
彼得寫道，前很長一段時間，這本書的摩門教被翻譯。 上帝說，通過彼得說，我們在“聖經”有“根據他的神力祂所所有屬於你們生命和虔敬的事賜給我們。”
他說，我們已獲得“一切關乎生命和虔敬”。 他接著說，我們通過對他的知識，那召我們的榮耀和美德，這些東西“：4Whereby賜給我們超過偉大的，珍貴的承諾：你們這些可能有分神聖的性質，既脫離腐敗現象在世界上是通過慾望“
為什麼我需要摩門教的書，住了一個良性的，光輝的一生嗎？ 這段話告訴我，我已經“超過偉大的，珍貴的承諾”，“所有的事情，涉及到生命和虔敬”這些東西，我可能是一個神聖的性質有分，“逃脫腐敗通過慾望的世界“。
為什麼我需要什麼嗎？ 肯定有其他的好，在“聖經”是不正確的事情，但此上下文中的詩句告訴我，耶穌，我對他的信心，給了我一個敬虔，聖潔，善良的，美好的生活所需的所有的東西不受在世界上的腐敗。 上帝為什麼會回去，並添加東西時，他已經表示，他給了我們足夠的呢？
我承認，我祈禱：“我勸你們，你們會問神，永恆之父，在基督的名，如果這些東西都不是真實的，如果你們要問用一顆真誠的心與真實意圖，在基督裡有信心，他會體現它的真相告訴你們，聖靈的力量由聖Ghost.And的權力，你們可知道所有事情的真相。“
我問：“用一顆真誠的心，與真正的意圖，在基督裡有信心”。 神帶領我的詩句1 2彼得，我覺得在我的胸口在莫羅尼的東西，這本書的摩門教休息確實不是真實和聖經中的神，比神是不同的一個非常強大的燃燒的摩門教圖書。
我祈禱，撒迪厄斯，神對我的表現，你認為什麼是真實的，實際上是虛假和不從神。
你如何協調這些東西？
布蘭登，如果這是上帝給你的答案，然後你必須遵循它。
我有理由懷疑這是不是他的反應，但是這是你和上帝之間的事。 我相信，基督教作為成熟的，你可以告訴聖靈和自己的先入為主的慾望之間的區別。
我提供了一個私人你們的天父，打坐的幾個問題：
1 - 我讀了多少這本書的摩門教？
2 - 我給它一個公平的審判，或者被拒絕之前，我把它撿起來嗎？
3 -是它的真實意圖，如果上帝曾告訴我，這是真的，我打算通過它，我會拒絕它要么？？
4 - 我相信聖靈的力量，“我可能知道所有事情的真相呢？”
最後一個問題是關鍵。 如果摩門教本書教你閒來無事，讓它教你，你可以問神，他要通過真理的聖靈。
你已經有一組的證詞，因為你說他沒有使您艙單。 也請看過一篇文章，涉及到這個主題稱為“ 葉收到任何證人，直到...... “
布蘭登
我會盡力回答你的問題“我們如何調和”，在彼得經文。
你引述彼得：“根據他的神力賜給告訴我們，直到生命和虔敬涉及所有的東西”，然後指出，彼得寫道，這本書被翻譯之前摩門教。 你的論點，糾正我，如果我錯了，是通過意味著一切後，彼得的說法是不那麼必要的嗎？
我沒有提醒你，彼得還寫道，新約前增加了“聖經”，甚至被完全寫入。 至少，你的思路應該導致你結束，約翰，約翰福音，啟示錄，也許裘德和2提摩太的書信都是不必要的。
我們相信，上帝給了他的孩子們所有的事情，直到生命和虔敬涉及，不管他們是希伯來人以下在曠野摩西，以色列人在以利亞或以斯拉時，或在彼得和時間的人使徒。 耶穌基督的贖罪是無限的，沒有一個是完全沒有足夠的聖經該死。 但是，那些人提出了新的經文，他們接受了他們張開雙臂。 為什麼呢？ 僅僅是因為他們是神的話，上帝說話時，你聽。
你說，如果你知道摩門教書所載神的話，你仍然不會是在閱讀他們感興趣的，因為神已經給你足夠的呢？
戴夫和賽迪斯 - 感謝您的意見。
這裡的點。 如果上帝說，我今天會聽。 我知道他，因為他發現自己。 我愛他。 我與他到我的真理的聖靈indwelt。 這是沒有的囂張氣焰。 其信仰。 但我已經聽到的一切“，自稱是”上帝的話“我對”聖經“的測試，因為它是足夠的。
這本書的摩門教矛盾整個聖經教神是誰，他做什麼。 福音是，我們是通過信仰什麼，除了我們僅在基督的信仰，我們做的恩典和保存。 不是我們的行為。 不是我們的努力。 不是我們的作品。 不是我們的教會。
這是恩典。 我們不值得。 這是什麼使得它的寬限期。 神告訴我們，他告訴保羅，他的恩典是我們有足夠的。 他的恩典是所有需要。 沒有風度，加上服從一套規則 - 這些規則是再好。
達林H.的奧克斯說，
“我們不會保存在我們的罪，被無條件地承認基督，然後通過保存，不可避免的是，在餘下的生命犯罪（見阿爾瑪書11:36-37）。 從我們的罪，我們有救了我們的悔改和潔淨通過上帝的恩典和他祝福救恩計劃（見3氦氖。9:20-22）每週更新（見海爾。5:10）。“
如果基督的恩典是夠你後，都否認自己的一切不虔，那麼我的問題是 - 你有嗎？ 你否認自己一切不虔？ 如果沒有，那麼他的恩典是沒有足夠你（根據這本書的摩門教）。 如果你只保存畢竟可以做的寬限期，接下來的問題是 - 你所做的一切可以嗎？ 即使在1肺心病10:13？ 如果這樣做可以指“遵守誡命”，他的意思是所有的誡命呢？
這是我的朋友克里斯，我的博客上發布，提出了一個問題。
回答你的問題 - 與“聖經”，我感到滿意，因為神告訴我，雖然“聖經”，“聖經”是足夠的。 這不是我滿意，但對上帝告訴我們，他在“聖經”給了我們足夠的 - 尤其是當新的“啟示”是違反已經教。 和上帝知道“聖經”將包含它包含什麼時，他的啟發彼得。 如果有人來找你，問你讀“古蘭經”，或挑選自己的宗教書籍，並祈禱和要求，如果它是正確的，你會怎麼做呢？
這裡是一個挑戰：你這本書的摩門教設置一個月，只研究“聖經”。 你相信聖經是聖經，所以它不應該是一個為你舒展。 告訴我們，“聖經”是生活和積極的，可以劃分在我們最深的東西。 求神教你，如果有任何“聖經”和摩門教的書，看他怎麼做之間的差異。 讓他教你，向你透露真相，通過聖靈的力量。
最後一件事。 薩德斯說，“這本書的摩門教教導如果你沒有別的，讓它教你，你可以問神，他要通過真理的聖靈。”
聖經已經告訴我。 我不需要這本書的摩門教教我的“真理”，“真理”相抵觸，如果唯一的真神在“聖經”，我已經教。
布蘭登
無論你是否認為這本書的摩門教是上帝的話（這是真正的問題在這裡，我想），我很高興，至少你的地步，你可以說，“如果上帝說今天，我會聽。“布拉沃。
我實際上已經考慮了一會兒現在你的挑戰。 雖然我嘗試從所有的經文畫寫這些職位時，教訓和東西，我個人的研究一直在舊約幾乎完全近來。 我不得不說：“我一直覺得他們是和諧的，絲毫不亞於聖經本身就是。 我知道你不同意，但你和我顯然有不同的解釋相同的段落。 （另外，不會摩門教和“聖經”的書之間的任何明顯的不一致更加明顯，閱讀時既反正？）
恩典和作品：我認為，很大程度上誤解我們相信福音的基督教世界。 讓我們直：有什麼我們可以做的“值得”拯救我們的。 沒有真正的基督徒相信他們可以通往天堂的路，摩門教徒也不例外。
你可能已經閱讀了我們誰是不是我們的人相信。 如果你真的想知道我們寬限期相信，我會強烈建議如下：
梅根的文章，從我們自己的網站 （該網站上的聯繫和優秀的文章）
這個講話 ，在楊百翰大學的斯蒂芬·羅賓遜博 士
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我可能忽視一些好的。 撒迪厄斯，任何其他的建議嗎？
戴夫，
再次感謝您的意見。
“......我個人的研究已經幾乎全在舊約lately.I有說：我一直覺得他們是和諧的，絲毫不亞於聖經本身就是。 我知道你不同意，但你和我顯然有不同的解釋相同的段落。 （另外，不會摩門教和“聖經”的書之間的任何明顯的不一致更加明顯，閱讀時既反正？）“
你死了，在我們不同的解釋段落。
是的，閱讀既要尋找不一致是我以為你會做什麼。 我的意思是讀“聖經”，看到你已經知道這本書的摩門教不一致。 我不太清楚。 真正的問題是eisegesis。 （反對訓詁學）這時候，有人讀入文本的含義，而不是從文本意義。 這是很容易接近的一套信仰聖經，然後在閱讀時，發現支持您的特定信念。 看耶和華見證。 他們相信“聖經”，但他們比我們都大大不同的結論來。 這是因為他們讀“聖經”，找到自己的信念的支持。 這樣做可以使“聖經”的支持任何你想要的。 我希望，通過獨自讀“聖經”，你可能會看到它是什麼，通過摩門教鏡頭，而不是的。 基本上，我知道那些讀通過“聖經”（新台幣），當他們讀“聖經”本身，就開始有嚴重的問題，關於信仰摩門教的主要租戶的幾個摩門教徒。 我希望這是很有意義的。
“Let's get this straight: there is nothing we can do to “deserve” our salvation. No true Christians believe they can work their way to heaven, and Mormons are no exception.
You've likely been reading up on what we believe by people who are not us.”
I got that quote from here by Dallin Oaks: http://www.lds.org/conference/talk/display/0,5232,23-1-26-23,00.html
The context of that quote follows:
“Some Christians accuse Latter-day Saints who give this answer of denying the grace of God through claiming they can earn their own salvation. We answer this accusation with the words of two Book of Mormon prophets. Nephi taught, “For we labor diligently . 。 。 to persuade our children . 。 。 to believe in Christ, and to be reconciled to God; for we know that it is by grace that we are saved, after all we can do” (2 Ne. 25:23). And what is “all we can do”? It surely includes repentance (see Alma 24:11) and baptism, keeping the commandments, and enduring to the end. Moroni pleaded, “Yea, come unto Christ, and be perfected in him, and deny yourselves of all ungodliness; and if ye shall deny yourselves of all ungodliness, and love God with all your might, mind and strength, then is his grace sufficient for you, that by his grace ye may be perfect in Christ” (Moro. 10:32)”
He said, “for we know that it is by grace that we are saved, after all we can do” After all we can DO? But the Bible teaches in Ephesians 2, ” 8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9Not of works, lest any man should boast. “
He is indeed a Mormon and if you don't believe what he taught, I'm not sure what to say.
How do you reconcile that difference there? How do you interpret away that difference between the Book of Mormon and the Bible?
I truly am curious about that – not just in some academic or debate sense. I have a lot of other questions too, but maybe I have overextended my visit on this particular post.
Brandon,
There are two kinds of works or deeds. Faithful works, and dead works.
Faithful works are things that Christians do because of their faith in Jesus Christ. As James said, “Shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works” ( James 2:18 ). Heavenly Father still requires us to repent, get baptized, read the scriptures, pray, etc. But we do these things because we have faith in Jesus Christ. We don't believe obedience saves us in and of itself, but earnest effort to be obedient to God is finished by the grace of Christ.
Dead works are not associated with Christ at all. It's the same reason Cain's sacrifice was unacceptable. He was going through the motions of sacrifice without any thought of a Savior. Same with the Pharisees. It's when we think our good deeds have power to erase our sins that we are in danger of hellfire.
We do believe we must show ourselves faithful to Christ through our actions, and not merely in our words and thoughts. Jesus taught, “Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven” ( Matthew 7:21 ). The after all we can do phrase is talking about faithful works.
If you are interested in discussing this any further, please read the articles we've already recommended first. It will help you see where we are coming from.
Dear Brandon, I have been reading this back and forth between you, Thad and Dave and I think that it is a great discussion. It is a nice thing to to see someone who is dedicated to their beliefs, thank you.
I want to ask three questions, why do you believe that the Bible, in and of itself, is sufficient? What do you mean by it being sufficient? Also, why can't God give us additional scripture, or call prophets today just as he always has?
Brandon,
First, I think you need to give people more credit. You can do that without agreeing with them. Everyone interprets the Bible through the lens of what they believe (more than that, everyone interprets their whole life experience through the lens of what they believe).
當你讀到馬太福音25章，其中綿羊和山羊之間的區別是他們向自己的同胞們做什麼，毫無疑問，你解釋，經文比其他作品重要的是你的救恩意味著什麼。“當你看到詹姆斯”沒有行為的信心是死的，“你可能會認為詹姆斯的話適用於只向猶太人，或類似的東西。 你可能會說，當保羅談到需要承認基督的名，並有信心，你的行動，不限制自由的寬限期。 將解釋所有文字，它周圍有沒有作者自己的解釋，除非他是什麼意思。
再次，無論如何，您的問題，是更好的解釋我聯繫，特別是近兩年的文章。 感謝你們在！
也享受了對話。
這些都是你推薦的文章之一的報價：
“我成為一個與基督，作為合作夥伴，我們的工作為我的拯救，我的提高。 [我不相信這]。 我的負債，他的資產互相流動。 我做的一切，我可以做的，他確實是我還不能做到。 我們在一起的兩個是完美的。“
“我會告訴你什麼。 你給我的一切你已經有了一個擁抱和一個吻，自行車是你的。“嗯，她從來沒有愚蠢。 她給了我一個擁抱和一個吻。 她給我的第六之一美分.... 我驅車沿著她身旁緩緩它發生，我認為這是一個比喻為基督的贖罪。 [我不相信這]
“有好消息和壞消息。 壞消息是，他還需要我們盡最大努力。 需要什麼呢？]我們必須努力，我們必須努力，我們必須做的一切，我們可以。 但好消息是，竭盡所能，這是足夠的，現在。“
你推薦的文章，從這些報價的基礎上，我有以下問題：
1。 如果我沒有盡我所能。 如果我只是做一點點的努力，我可以得救嗎？ 是基督的恩典足夠我，如果我不這樣做我的“盡力？”
2。 你做了一切可以嗎？ 你真的提出了自己最大的努力呢？ 有沒有別的，你能做到這一點，你是不是做的呢？ 如果沒有，那麼你是基督的工作足夠嗎？ 你怎麼知道？
我想這取決於你的反應是對上述問題的解釋我們的想法。 我真的很感謝你們抽出時間來解決這些問題。 我嚴重的問題，您作為健全的學說，所以我認為，重要的是我們相互理解。
期待您的答复。
bfrancisco - 我想，以解決您的問題：首先讓我得到這個評論，它的響應。 我不想加太多，本次討論，但我想讓你知道我相信什麼。
親愛的布蘭登，這些都是很好的問題。 我不會，甚至試圖取代戴夫在這次談話或撒迪厄斯，但這些都是我們處理過的問題。 當夠不夠，我盡我所能，等等？ 正如我已經讀了幾次，我看你是真的想和想了解我們相信，我們都明白，在你的崗位，你太棒了！
我想添加什麼是值得我的兩分錢。 當我們進入水域的洗禮，我們正在與神立約，為他保住自己和兒子的誡命。 與任何契諾，有雙方的承諾。 據了解，我們將永遠是能夠做到的一切完美，但並不免除我們努力做到最好。 正如我們從恩典恩典在我們的理解我們的能力，以保持誡命增加。 在沿途的每一點，如果我們做一個勤奮的努力，那麼我們是完美的基督，就是你從莫羅尼10:32-33引述。
那麼我們如何才能知道，如果我們在做什麼就足夠了嗎？ 我覺得這是很容易的。 當我躺在晚上，我一天的庫存。 我問自己是有什麼，我今天所做的，那不是什麼耶穌會做嗎？ 如果有，我得到了我的膝蓋上，然後問上帝的寬恕，寬恕是可能的，因為他的兒子在替我贖罪，我答應做的更好的明天。 然後，我週日去教堂，我與上帝的契約更新我在領受聖餐洗禮的水中。 我發誓，我願意承擔自己基督的名（是他的弟子），並永遠記住他，謹守他的誡命，他給了我。 作為回報，我承諾，我隨時可以跟我有聖靈。 值得在任何時候都與我的聖靈是神的標誌我認為我在基督完美。 我會再次犯錯？ 肯定的，但我很快就悔改，每星期聖餐。 因此，本質在任何時候，我可以是乾淨的，因為神的恩典，不是因為我的作品，但我給它與基督的幫助下，我最好的。 因此，我該公約的最終堅持和恩典的上帝，這是通過他的兒子，我很乾淨，和“完美”的神面前。 不是因為我是由我的作品的完美，而是因為我軛耶穌基督，他讓我完美。
謝謝你，bfransico，分享您的想法。
哦，你承受的負擔。 閱讀，只是讓我很傷心，因為事實是，你將永遠
能夠做的一切，你可以做。 從來沒有。 你將永遠（天堂的這一邊）有目的的罪惡，使你的心愚蠢的選擇，好色，貪圖，漫步從義。 你會做這些事情（像我會做這些事情），因為在本質上，你沒有足夠努力。 你可以做更多的努力。 你可以禱告，讀你的書多，犧牲更多。 如果你還可以做得更多，更努力，然後根據這本書的摩門教，基督的恩典是不夠的。
你上面說：“任何契諾，有雙方的承諾。”這是問題的一部分。 這並非總是如此。 我們可以看看在創世記12:1-3亞伯拉罕公約。 這是耶和華與亞伯拉罕（和他的死者）這是不是有條件的公約之間的盟約。 亞伯拉罕做什麼，這不要緊，上帝會履行該公約。 在大衛的約2塞繆爾7:12-16（所應許的彌賽亞）也是有條件的非公約。 神將履行（並沒有履行他的諾言，不管以色列人服從/工程）。 現在，不要誤會我的意思，有“聖經”中規定的條件公約，但神使所需要的“公約”的時間。 最終約是該公約的寬限期，即那些相信上帝的無條件承諾。
你也說，“當我躺在晚上下來，我一天的庫存。 我問自己是有什麼，我今天所做的，那不是什麼耶穌會做嗎？ 如果有，我得到下來我的膝蓋上那時和請求上帝的寬恕，而寬恕，因為他的兒子在替我贖罪和我的承諾，以做到更好的明天。“（不要你總是做更好的明天......我的意思是，一個適當的承諾作為一個基督徒），我希望請我的救主。 我渴望服從他所有我做的。 “聖經”和摩門教的書，之間的區別是，聖經的教導，我必須先通過基督的工作（我們相信這是神永恆的，不...不喜歡我們）轉化為有希望的生活正確。 然後，我住正確的恩典，我一直不作為的條件，作為響應。 上帝不會刪除我從他的精神，如果我搞砸了。 即使我莊嚴搞砸了，如果他沒有，我會擰，B / C我有沒有自己的力量，做的好。 當我搞砸了，或罪（我每次我認為不好的思想，判斷，慾望的心，我的孩子們的憤怒，在公路上行事急躁，只是僅舉幾例），它是在精神上我，使我悔改。 聖靈是我生命中的密封，保證了我的繼承。 它不會是一個保證，如果我試圖缺乏或我的罪可以作廢。
The following is an aside, and I really don't want to get into a debate regarding this as we have plenty to discuss with the topic at hand. We believe in two judgments as described in the Bible. The first is the Great White Throne Judgment, where the lambs will be separated from the goats. That is basically where God judges those for either salvation, or damnation (Revelation 20:11-14). The second is the Bema seat (1 Cor. 3:10-15). This judgment is for those who are believers, and this is where works are judged as either gold/silver, or hay/straw. One will be consumed by fire, the other will be presented to Christ as an offering and a reward will be given. A reward from Christ! But regardless of what happens to the works, the person being judged at the Bema is saved from damnation. Now…I don't believe (I could be wrong) that you believe this, and I don't bring it up in order to debate this theology, only to give reason for why good works/obedience matters to the non-Mormon. No one would say that obedience does not matter. It matters very much according to the Bible (it is how we demonstrate that we love Jesus – that's important)it is just that since we can't be perfect (as you believe) and we can't even do our best to be perfect (not sure if you believe) then our works don't count as squat for our salvation. Not even 61 pennies. But they do count as a demonstration of our faith and love.
I provide the Bible references not to “Bible bash” but only to offer Biblical support for what I am saying. Of course you are invited to look those verses up and read them in context as I am sure that you will.
Grace by your definition, is not grace that is truly sufficient. If it was, then why must you “do all you can do?”
I would still like Thadeus and Dave to answer the questions that I posed in the last comment I made as well, if you have time. And one final question: Every night you repent, and every Sunday you renew your vow, your promise…what happens to the Mormon who dies before the evening? Or before Sunday morning, or who had a really busy week and forgot to really repent at all for a couple of days and then dies? (I am not asking this rhetorically…I would like to know what you believe regarding this.)
One other of the articles states that “one of the untrue doctrines found in modern Christendom is the concept that man can gain salvation (meaning in the kingdom of God) by grace alone and without obedience. This soul-destroying doctrine has the obvious effect of lessening the determination of an individual to conform to all of the laws and ordinances of the gospel.” This statement could not be more false. I do not obey because of threat of Hell. I believe in grace alone for my salvation. That makes me want to serve Him all the more. Knowing the huge debt that I have no way of paying, yet Christ paid the debt (in its entirety) makes me want to serve Him. When Christians don't desire to serve their Lord with their whole heart, it is more often because they don't understand the greatness of their penalty, and their utter and complete need for Him. I want to serve and obey my Lord Jesus because I love Him and for no other reason. I am motivated by love, not fear, for perfect love casteth out fear.
Thanks again for this discussion.
Please, if you have time, go to my blog ( http://brandonandjenny.blogspot.com/2009/03/mormons-mormons-everywhere.html ) and read the comment by Chris Pray. It is close to the bottom.
Dear Brandon,
I really appreciate how you have explained so well what you believe with regard to grace. I don't feel any burden though, I do what I do because I do love God and his Son, not because of fear or guilt. As I have thought about this subject so many times and tried to elucidate how to explain these concepts simply, I just don't know how I can explain it any better. I think it would serve us well to realize that in many ways we want the same thing–to do what Christ would do and live a life centered on Him.
Brandon, you are doing so much good in the world, or rather God is doing so much good in the world through you and I am so happy to see that you love God and want to serve him. I am sure that you are changing lives and helping others to find happiness in Christ and that is wonderful. It is too bad that there aren't more people like you in the world.
Brandon,
I know you're caught up on this “all we can do” wording. Perhaps the words in Alma 24:11 would help you:
“And now behold, my brethren, since it has been all that we could do (as we were the most lost of all mankind) to repent of all our sins and the many murders which we have committed, and to get God to take them away from our hearts, for it was all we could do to repent sufficiently before God that he would take away our stain.”
When I read this conversation, it seems ridiculous. We're talking completely past each other. You point out that we can never do “ALL we can do,” in the sense that as soon as we pass up just one little opportunity to do something, and as soon as we commit one little sin, oops! We haven't done all we can do, and we don't qualify for salvation!
That's ridiculous, and no Mormon believes that. What we're trying to say, and what Ben (if I may presume) was trying to say is that to repent before God, and to be able to witness to him that we will be willing to keep his commandments and remember him…that is all we can do. Enter into covenant relationships with God, that is all we can do.
Now, if you happen to be Calvinist (you write like one), and you believe in irresistible grace, then yes, we disagree. We think that you actually have to do something to accept the grace of God. 信心。 Repentance. Baptism. But there are a lot of Arminians out there who also disagree with you on that.
I took a New Testament class from the man who gave that BYU speech. He would always complain that people misinterpreted his “parable of the bicycle.” They, like you, think of the little girl paying her sixty-one cents as a symbol of us contributing somehow to our own salvation. But just the contrary–the point is to show that we could never possibly hope to ever make even the smallest of dents in our debt to justice. That Jesus pays 100%. (This is from the man's own mouth).
Now, we do believe that salvation is dependent on our accepting it(in that we may disagree). And the “accepting” involves making and keeping covenants. But having good things be a part of accepting Jesus Christ is a far cry from being saved by your own merits.
I personally thought that the third and fourth articles I linked to you dealt with that especially well. Did you read them?
1。 What if I don't do ALL I can. If I only do just a little effort, can I be saved? Is the grace of Christ sufficient for me if I don't do my “best effort?”
Jesus Christ gave himself as sacrifice to end the tyranny of condemnation under the impossibly strict law of Moses. Rather than the law judging our every fault, Jesus became our new judge and He offers mercy to the penitent (see Alma 42 ). Penitence is not measured with a laundry list of good and bad choices, but is a condition of one's heart.
Just after His ascension to heaven in Jerusalem, Jesus came to America and declared, “Ye shall offer up unto me no more the shedding of blood…and ye shall offer for a sacrifice unto me a broken heart and a contrite spirit” ( 3 Nephi 9:19-20 ).
2。 Have you done all you can? Have you really put forth your best effort? There is nothing else that you could do that you aren't doing? If not, then is Christ's work sufficient for you? How do you know?
Like Dave said, it isn'ta matter of doing everything we can possibly think of without missing an iota. That just takes us back to the strictness of the law. It's a matter of doing what is available for us. “All we can do” to show Christ our broken heart and contrite spirit is to enter into prescribed covenants and honor them in our hearts, minds, and deeds.
Effort is required to maintain our penitence. We don't believe that once we first feel forgiveness, we are forgiven for every sin we will subsequently commit. Thus, humility before God and repentance are essential throughout life. The purpose of life is to become more and more like Christ each day. This kind of metamorphosis doesn't happen in an instant; it takes a lifetime or more, and it's why we're here .
We can feel assured that the Lord accepts our sacrifice of a broken heart and contrite spirit as we continue feeling our sins lifted, and as we are guided by the Holy Spirit.
Brandon, since we have very different views on this topic, would you tell us what you believe the purpose of life is?
Hello gentleman (not to offend any ladies out there – just haven't seen any post here),
Been busy. Thank you for your answers and honesty.
I'd like to answer bfrancisco's question but that will take more time than I have right now so if it's alright I will defer that until later in the week. Please excuse the delay…I'm not deflecting!
Thaddeus – You asked, “Brandon, since we have very different views on this topic, would you tell us what you believe the purpose of life is?”
I'd love to. But I'm going to steal from what some other's have said. I believe the purpose of life is to love the Lord my God with all my heart, mind, soul and strength and to love my neighbor in the same way. That sounds familiar, I know. I'll also steal from the Westminster Confession (which just because I agree with the shorter catechism doesn't make me a Calvinist). It states, “Man's chief end is to glorify God, and to enjoy him forever.”
The purpose of life is to glorify God by being in an eternal love relationship with Him.
Dave – I did read the articles and already quoted one of them. I'm not a Calvinist. I hold some of the tenets of Calvinism, but only 3-4 of the TULIP doctrines, and not limited atonement. My wife is a Methodist and I enjoy Wesleyan theology, but I'm not going to get in a fist fight defending prevenient grace either.
I think one of the issues between Mormons and Christians is that we say the same words but do not always mean the same things.
For example, when we say, “God” we mean two different things.
What I mean:
There is only one God.
Is. 44:6 “Thus says the Lord, the King of Israel and his Redeemer, the Lord of hosts:
'I am the first and I am the last,And there is no God besides Me. (Also see Deut. 6:4,Isaiah 43:11; 44:8; 45:5)
God is a Spirit without Flesh and Bones; not a man.
John 4:24 “God is spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.”
What Mormon's (from my understanding and from the literature that I have read) mean:
There are more than one God. (Maybe only one God for this world, but God's father was a god, and it is also possible for you, in your theology, to someday be a god)
“And they (the Gods) said: Let there be light: and there was light (Book of Abraham 4:3)”
God is like us.
“God himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted man, and sits enthroned in yonder heavens!!! 。 。 。 We have imagined that God was God from all eternity. I will refute that idea and take away the veil, so that you may see,” (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 345).
God is a man, or very like a man.
“”The Father has a body of flesh and bones as tangible as man's,” (Doctrine and Covenants 130:22; Compare with Alma 18:26-27; 22:9-10).
“Therefore we know that both the Father and the Son are in form and stature perfect men; each of them possesses a tangible body . 。 。 of flesh and bones,” (Articles of Faith, by James Talmage, p. 38)”
When I say, “Jesus”, we mean two different things.
What I mean:
Jesus is the eternal Son. He is second person of the Trinity. He is God in flesh and man: God incarnate.
“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.” John 1:1
(See also John 1:14; Col. 2;9) and the creator of all things (Col. 1:15-17).
Jesus was born of the virgin Mary.
Isaiah 7:14″Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold, a virgin will be with child and bear a son, and she will call His name Immanuel. See also (Matt 1:22-25, Luke 1:26-35)
What Mormon's mean (Again, our understanding, and if this is wrong, it must be clarified):
“The birth of the Saviour was as natural as are the births of our children; it was the result of natural action. He partook of flesh and blood – was begotten of his Father, as we were of our fathers,” (Journal of Discourses, vol. 8, p. 115)”
“Christ was begotten by an Immortal Father in the same way that mortal men are begotten by mortal fathers” (Mormon Doctrine, by Bruce McConkie, p. 547)”
“Jesus is the literal spirit-brother of Lucifer, a creation (Gospel Through the Ages, p. 15)”
A large reason for the miscommunication is our failure to agree on terms and their meanings. I say this with all respect to you guys as people. I am not trying to be personally critical, just critical of the texts presented in light of what the Bible teaches and in light of what the Church has taught since Christ. I have an enormous amount of respect for the diligence and the strength of your faith. As your friend (and I do consider you a friend) I feel a burden to point out what seems to me to be enormous and critical errors. Especially since these errors may have eternal significance. Please know that this entire dialog has been in the spirit of love and respect.
Brandon,
You started with asking for archaeological proofs for the Book of Mormon. Then you moved to the necessity for post-biblical revelation. Then it was grace and works. Now the trinity and the nature of God.
I'm beginning to suspect that you don't really want to know what we believe, and that you're just going to go down the well-known laundry list of favorite evangelical arguments against Mormons, and try to show that our beliefs contradict the Bible. All you will do is show that our beliefs contradict your interpretation of the Bible. We can do the same. For instance, the trinity. Here is a list of 65 scriptures in the Bible that seem to indicate that the Father and Jesus are two separate beings. I have no doubt that you will interpret them differently.
This is not a forum for arguing about whether the Bible contradicts our beliefs. This is a place where people come to find out from us what we believe, not to tell us what they think we believe and why they think it's wrong. There are probably forums for that though. For our responses to those arguments, I recommend fairlds.org and farms.byu.edu. So we'll probably just refer you to those sites, where all your questions are already answered.
The quotes you posted about the nature of God and Jesus are, in fact, quotes from early church leaders (or Bruce R. McConkie). Aside from that, I don't know anything about them. They haven't much been elaborated on. How was Jesus fathered? 我不知道。 Where did God come from? 我不知道。 You'll find that these topics are not anything like mainstream in the LDS world. I've watched the LDS general conference for ten hours twice a year for my entire life, and I've never heard any of those topics mentioned, ever. That's not to say they're not true, it's just if you're looking for some clarification, there isn't much we can do for you. Perhaps God will see fit to clarify them.
With regards, however, to Jesus and Satan being brothers, that statement is a little misleading. I refer you to this article.
戴夫，
I seem to have offended you. That was not my intention. I was truly trying to clarify terms but in the process I stepped on some toes. I apologize if I said something offensive.
With all respect, however, you make too many assumptions. You assumed I was a Calvinist (which I am not) and you assume I have some grand plan to debunk Mormon theology (which I do not). The progression of thoughts in your first paragraph stem from my assumption that this was a discussion and those thoughts flowed as I sought to discover what you guys really believe. You cannot dismiss me by squeezing me into a category.
I was answering Thadeus's questions regarding the point of life, and then I just wanted to clarify what I thought were assumptions you had made because we misunderstood one another's meanings of the same words.
The title of this website is “What Mormon's Believe”. Debate and discussion are meant to bring clarity, and though you answer many of my questions very well you get defensive and throw assumptions at me to dismiss what I am saying. I am sure I often do the same thing, though I hope to avoid that.
I have Mormon neighbors. We really love them. We're watching their poodle while they are out of town. I want to understand better what they believe and so I came here for some dialog and even debate in order to better understand Mormonism. We do indeed talk to them about what we believe, but surely you understand that most conversation is about kids and how much it rained and when are you coming over for another movie night. So we came here because Thaddeus had very graciously commented on my blog and directed me here for further questions. Yet when I sought clarity by asking what I thought were genuine questions, I am dismissed.
I'm not trying to be misleading. I'm trying to figure out how Mormons believe both the Bible and the Book of Mormon can stand side-by-side as equal revelation from God and I did that by trying to get some agreement on terms.
If when I say “tree” you think of a coat tree or a parrot and I think of an Elm tree, then when I say, “Let's go look for trees in the forest” we will not be doing the same thing. I was attempting to bring clarity to our discussion by coming to an agreement on two very important things: Who is God and Who is Jesus.
It seems clear that we are indeed not talking about the same thing when we say those terms. If we cannot agree on those terms (the 'definition' so to speak of God), then our discussion may have come to an end. 我希望不會。
This discussion has been wonderful for me. I hope it at least of benefit to you.
Grace and peace to you, Dave.
Brandon,
You certainly haven't offended me, and I apologize for making assumptions about you being a Calvinist. I definitely know what it's like to have people assume things about what we believe, so I really should know better.
I have had a lot of that conversation with my Calvinist friends lately, who truly do believe that it is 100% grace that saves us. Being a Calvinist isn'ta bad thing either; when I said that I was just trying to point out that if you were a Calvinist, we definitely disagree on that point. And as my Calvinist friends have pointed out, anything less than irresistible grace admits that we ourselves are required to do something in order to be saved. So I was trying to point out that in the grace and works debate, the idea that God would require something of you before he saves you is not uncommon in Christianity. I apologize if that didn't come off right. And I'm happy to know that I was wrong when I said I suspected that you were just here to try to show us that our beliefs contradict the bible.
I understand what you mean about terminology. Words like “God”, “Jesus”, and “saved” are loaded with theological assumptions. I think, though, I disagree with your statement that “if we cannot agree on those terms, then our discussion may have come to an end.” I think it just boils down to understanding each other. To use your analogy, as long as I understand that when you say “tree,” you're talking about an Elm tree, I understand you completely. So we believed different things about God. As long as we both understand what we each respectively are picturing in our heads when we say things like “God” and “Jesus,” then we can have meaningful conversation without needing to agree.
I'm sorry that you feel “dismissed.” That was most definitely not my intention. On what questions do you feel dismissed?
I'm also glad that you feel this conversation has been a benefit to you. In what ways has it helped you?
Brandon,
For what it's worth, it did seem like you were just looking for the chance to one-up us in an argument, by your darting from topic to topic. Especially since we see these same tired arguments frequently from evangelical Christians who have no other object than declaring our doctrines false.
We are happy to entertain questions, but we'd prefer to do it with people who listen to our side and give our arguments full consideration.
Which is why I'm thrilled to learn you are willing to do that! We'd love to demonstrate how our theology is fully compatible with the Bible, as long as you recognize that you and we don't share the same interpretation of every verse.
Like Dave said, our beliefs don't contradict the Bible, but they may contradict your interpretation of it.
Groovy. Glad we can keep chatting. Dave, I felt dismissed on my stance on grace. But that's Ok. I know that wasn't your intention.
Well, we disagree on who God and Jesus are (at least I think that's what Dave was saying).
And our interpretation of the Bible is different. That seems clear since our conclusions are different. So…if we're both reading the same verses and we both think we're right, can both of us be right?
I only assume you guys think you are correct in your interpretation of the Bible. I sure believe I'm correct. It would be really silly for one of us to KNOW we were wrong and say we were right. But I'm almost certain neither of us is doing that.
we disagree on who God and Jesus are
I would hesitate to phrase it that way. When we talk about Jesus, we are talking about the same person, but our conceptions of Him are different. We believe different things about Jesus.
The reason I nitpick is because I've run into a few people who claim that “Mormons believe in a different Jesus,” but that leads naive listeners to think we worship some Jesus Jones from Connecticut or something.
The Jesus we believe in was born of Mary in Bethlehem. He walked on water in Galilee. He was crucified on Calvary by Roman soldiers. We believe everything that is written about Him in Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, etc. He has a LOT in common with the Jesus you believe in. So much in common, I think it's safe to assume we're talking about the same person.
We may disagree on some details of His exact nature, but we agree on who He is (in general terms). Please read an article called “ Jesus the Christ ” to see for yourself.
Sorry for the gap here. I just have not had the time.
I definitely agree that we're talking about the same guy, Jesus of Nazareth. But we do not believe the same things about Him or His nature. I say that instead of 'details of His exact nature' because I don't think the things we disagree on are not details at all, but come down to the very nature of God.
There is a wonderful book named Knowledge of the Holy by AW Tozer and I would recommend it to you guys to read. It's all about the attributes of God. In it, Tozer says,
“What comes into our minds when we think about God is the most important thing about us. The history of mankind will probably show that no people has ever risen above its religion, and man's spiritual history will positively demonstrate that no religion has ever been greater than its idea of God.”
The book is about thinking rightly about God, not just thinking about Him. It's one of my favorite devotional books.
Sorry I never got into the sufficiency of Scripture. It's really a moot point given that we will not agree on one another's interpretation.
To that point, however. Do you believe there is ONE correct interpretation of Scripture?
Our ideas about God are different
Interesting to read some people here playing doctrinal ping pong. Strike one is dealing with people we don't know in person on the Internet. I think many people see any issue as entertainment. Any situation that does not require action, that does not present consequences and accountability, is by nature, a fantasy.
Is The Book of Mormon the word of God or not? I know it is. I've paid the price to know….reading, pondering, praying about it. I worked for two years solid to create a free site for anyone who wants to really understand the Book of Mormon…..plainBookofMormon.com.
It seems that online, we find more intellectuals who want to pretend they are humble and have faith in Christ, but in the end, will be found to be egg-heads who really wanted everything their way. To be a true Christian is to be humble and teachable…..willing to do anything to further the Lord's will. It's the least we can do, if we love Him. He did say, “my sheep hear my voice”. And another man said, “If we don't follow the voice of the Good Shepard, than whose sheep are we?” I like that line of reasoning. Satan is so clever, to entrap people with their own smug form of Christian living.
I hope we can all rise above the smugness, and just do the will of the Lord, expecting His grace to save us, “after all we can do” as John wrote.
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I have prayed about whether the book of Mormon was true and God's answer to me was “No”. In addition to my prayers,
When the Book of Mormon has so many errors, inconsistencies and alterations that the only way to explain them away is to say “Just pray to see if it is true”, then you've got a real problem with what you believe. I implore all Mormons to examine what you believe critically, independent of the LDS church and your elders. You cannot go to your elders with the questions the outside world is asking. They will only tell you the same thing they've always told you. That's like asking Hulk Hogan if he belives WWF is real wrestling. OF COURSE he's going to tell you “yes” and tell you what you want to hear. He IS a wrestler.
Step outside of the Mormon bubble and examine what you believe critically. Read and learn about all the true information that the rest of the world has access to about Mormonism. Believe it or not, you can really get access to all the original Mormon documents and files and see what has changed between then and your present day materials. If the Mormon scriptures are as perfect & true as the LDS church boasts, why all the changes over the years? If you ask me, the problem is a false religion coupled with cultural relativism.
And don't give me the old “so as it is correctly translated” excuse. Mormons basically took what Josheph Smith had “translated” from the tablets at face value. Furthermore, “Reformed Egyptian hieroglyphics” never existed! Talk about a “so as it is correctly translated” conundrum. And I venture to say that if both the first AND second tablets had broken, JS would have produced a third tablet……tada!
Regarding the comment “We may disagree on some details of His exact nature, but we agree on who He is (in general terms).”
The “some details” are PRETTY IMPORTANT details. Mormons basically trample the very essence of who Jesus is, based on the Holy Bible, and it's a slap in the face to Christians (yes…the “real true ultra super” Christians of the Holy Bible). …..(just poking a little fun at the latest “true Christian campaign headed up by the LDS church)
Jesus WAS NOT a brother of Satan.
Jesus IS a part of the Holy Trinity of Father-Son-Holy spirit as ONE GOD-HEAD, not three separate Gods.
GOD was, is, and always will be the same. God was NOT created from a man. The belief God came from a man basically disempowers God in blasphemy and renders Him incapable of all that He has actually done with Creation. Man cannot do what God can do. Man cannot become a God. When Mormons claim that they become Gods, they are making the same mistake Satan did.
Those are a couple of the “some details” that Mormons try to pass off as unimportant.
Mormons, I implore you to step outside your “comfort zone” and really take a look at what you believe from an impartial perspective. Take a look at all the questions and evidence available that proves Mormonism is NOT christianity and is not true . Don't hold on to something false just because you're worried what you're family will think or if your church will excommunicate you (that's some loving church). It's a tough thing to swallow your pride and humble yourselves into researching information that would prove what you believe to be wrong. Who wants to find out they've believed something false for so long? I know I wouldn't, but it would be worth it if my eternity depended on it, which it does! And so does yours!
the prolonged discussion with Brandon suggests that if God is really interested in using the scriptures to help the people understand the gospel, then more clarity is needed. Here we see a few articulate and educated individuals who can't seem to come to an agreement on what certain scriptures say or mean. Over 600 “Christian” churches have different interpretations as to what some of the key concepts of the scriptures mean. Has God just given mankind a big puzzle to figure out, which they apparently can't do, (In fact some groups have killed people over these disagreements)? Or is God interested enough in us lowly humans to provide some clarification through other scriptures and even some living prophets?
As for Terry, you sound pretty mad.?
“Over 600 “Christian” churches have different interpretations as to what some of the key concepts of the scriptures mean.”
While this is true, the interpretations of scriptures of the different “Christian” churches is still based on the same bible. As a non LDS christian, the use of the Book of Mormon by the LDS church is the part that is hard for me to reconcile.
In the end… I don't believe it matters. As long as a person accepts christ and recognizes that he is our saviour… I think he/she is in a good place.
I am a Somali young man,i live in Mogadishu,I need to know where to go after death,which religion is true? Here Islam is been used to kill people,please need advice and prayer.
I say all people who live in this world are 1 and they are brothers regardlss of colour or geographical
Abdi, you are very right. We are all brothers and sisters no matter where you live or what color of skin you have. I am glad you have found this website.
我會為你祈禱。 You must also pray for help and to know what to do. We know that God is our Father and He loves us. He will help you find the true religion. Please read more about prayer here , and begin reading the Book of Mormon here . The Book of Mormon helps me every day to know what Heavenly Father wants me to do. I am sure it will also help you.
I wish the Church had a presence in Somalia, but right now there are no chapels or missionaries there. Abdi, if you want to keep learning about the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, please keep posting comments. We'd love to hear more about you and what you are thinking about.
我很抱歉地閱讀本阿卜迪！ You are right as Thaddeus said, we are all brothers/sisters in Christ, created by an almighty loving God. I have my opinions on the Muslim Religion as well as the Mormon Religion, but I will leave that alone because I am not here to scrutinize or criticize anyone. I do agree with Thaddeus also in saying that you should Pray to God about this matter and he will surely give you an answer but you must pray in faith. I disagree on reading the book or Mormon however, your first source should be the Holy Bible which is the word of God, inspired by God.
God bless you Abdi and may you continue your search for Truth!
Harmony April