摩门教徒相信三位一体吗?
由SteveStacey所有基督徒的一个核心理念是作为神圣的耶稣基督的见证。 神格的性质 - 神父,耶稣基督的圣子和圣灵 - 是一个宗教讨论的主要议题,并已几个世纪的辩论。 传统基督教认为描述物质在人的神格,或三位一体,作为联合国的方式,是由人难以理解。 作为圣徒,我们相信,所有的基督徒做“上帝,永恒之父,在他的儿子,耶稣基督和圣灵”( 信仰1条 )。 我们相信,他们的目的和使命之一,他们是三个独立的神。
神格的数值独立性的想法是不是新的,是由许多早期基督徒认为,将显示一个简短的历史研究。 例如,阿里乌斯,阿里乌斯教的创始人,被裁定后的第一届理事会的尼西亚说教之间其他有争议的学说,父神和耶稣基督的独立性,一个邪教组织。
有许多圣经经文,这清楚地表明,在父神和耶稣基督的人的独立性(见马太福音3:16-17 , 路加福音22:42 , 使徒行传7:55-56 )。 不过,也有许多人,这也说明,他们是一个(见申命记6:4 , 约翰福音10:30 , 约翰福音5:7 )。 这种二分法早已被确认,并在公元325年的尼西亚召开了第一届理事会,除其他原因,正式信条教会的官方意见规定。 著名的尼西亚,这是在该理事会通过,并继续作为基石,目前许多教义三位一体语句的今天,描述为“上帝的上帝,轻轻,真神,真神独生子耶稣基督,不言,在与父亲“( 尼西亚 )。
的信条建设委员会的召开,已经由“传统”的基督教教会教义纠纷解决方法。 作为圣徒,我们认为有一个更好的办法:通过直接授权的先知的启示,上帝透露,继续揭示许多福音真理。 在近代的启示教义明确的是三个人类,团结的目的和人单独神格的性质。 我们非常重视在“圣经”的灵感的话,我们相信,本着同样的精神鼓舞的作家仍激励着神圣的男子今天教的教义,是同样真实和宝贵。
三位一体的教义,可以说是所有的教义中后期圣徒教义,从传统的基督教的观点不同。 神称为近代第一先知斯密约瑟。 当他是一个男孩,教会之间的纠纷促使他问自己的上帝教会宣扬关于神和救恩的永恒的真理。 父神和耶稣基督的答案, 似乎他在光荣的愿景。 父神自己对约瑟说:“ 这是我的爱子。 听到他的 “( 斯密约瑟-历史1时17分 )。 有什么更好的例子可以团结的父亲,作为独立的人的儿子?
如前所述,摩门教教义的圣经证据是丰富的。 我并没有专注于他们强调,我们不立足于我们的信念,由有关专家解释圣经的学者提出一个信条。 我们立足于我们的信念,斯密约瑟的第一个设想是真正的先知继续揭示神的真理的圣灵给予我们的证词。 我强烈建议任何人希望看到我们的信念,强烈的圣经证据的读者读这次谈话耶稣基督的使徒和特殊证人(或观看 )。 我邀请任何人希望发现我们的消息,研读经文,祈祷,祈求上帝,他们会告诉你这是真的圣灵的真理。
这文章写的旅客作者斯蒂芬·斯泰西











































很不错。
那么你认为三位一体的屏蔽并不代表摩门教的教义,神性? (我认为事实并非如此)。
我更喜欢为代表的第一视觉画面。
两点 -
1)召开了“议会”在这里被解雇,因为根据当时的教会,他们的神赋予的权力,寻求圣灵的这种性质的问题上的指导,因此,他们认为信条启发。 这是不可怕的,不像我们描述了第一届主席团和理事会的12个。 设置了一个简单的二分法是过于简单化;“更好的方式,这里所描述的是如何早期教会领袖了解他们做了什么没有什么不同。 天主教教会的合一议会的意愿,代表圣灵引导的教会召开头脑。
2)我不会那么轻易解雇团结在神的作用。 毕竟,走出自己的神学教导,只有通过提高密封的关系 - 这是更形而上学的实际不是简单的“目的” - 和像布雷克马夫LDS思想家的情况,神格成员部分神,因为他们参加形而上学超越什么,我们能想象,一个共同的关系。
埃里克
感谢您的评论。 我应该澄清:三位一体的盾不准确地反映我们的神性的信仰。
埃里克
遗憾的双重评论,但我要进一步澄清。 我们不以任何方式使用三位一体的盾来形容我们的神性的看法,可能是最圣徒不会承认它在所有。 随着向右转体,你可能能够融入摩门教的教义,但它是一个延伸。
我很高兴听到你说。 我觉得有正试图使教会听起来更福音就好比是一些摩门教。
像这样的职位在这里
马特,
你带来了一些有趣的想法。 首先,有关市政局:我相信,这种说法是真的站不住脚。 与神圣的权力,任何声称,反对者抗衡,是根本没有的情况下,可以在当代的设置,丝毫不亚于在议会的时间。 事实上,这同样紧张,可能是历史本身一样古老。 也许这是索赔的性质,往往是主观的和有限的几个人,这本身对这个问题。 通过寻找自己的护目镜,在历史的人可能会争辩说,这种议会召开了统一帝国的下一个政治领袖,这样做,以避免人,否则摇摇欲坠和持不同政见者。 说真的,我认为这两种观点都是站不住脚的(因此,可能不值得争辩,除非达成共识,可以)。
还索赔不具有神圣的权力和指导的必要性,实际等于神圣的权力和神圣的指导。
其次,你的发言作了关于“形而上学的实际”,显得扑朔迷离。 你的意思是说,“封口”,按照摩门教的神学,是抽象的,实际的,或一些超越现实,但被现实的东西吗? 我想澄清一些在这一点上。
此外,神性的成员,享有一个共同的关系,“形而上学的超越也许多余的吗?]什么我们可以想像”:如果这种说法意味着什么,我认为,这意味着,它似乎是一个混合的身份(或损失“separate'性)的摩门教徒。 虽然摩门教声称一个这样的父亲,儿子,和圣灵之间的关系(实物),比传统的观点不同的看法,我们不主张有一个神(任何)如何运作完全完美的知识,而且这样的由马夫先生的发言是说:“我们不知道”的教条。
的欢呼声。
埃里克,你真的误解了我试图完成的任务,矿后,“摩门教三位一体”。
我不是“试图使教会听起来像比它更福音。”我只是有一个善解人意的洞察力成图可以申请在某些方面,我们的神性三个独立的神,但“一神”(我们自己经文断言),或神性。
(如果有个别界三角形的每个角落,也许甚至会为我们的宗旨是更好,因为我们相信,毕竟,这三个神圣的人实际上是三个独立的人类。)
我请你看我最近三位一体,神性,他们的“统一性”和“统一性”与他们的想法。 我怀疑你会发现任何不同意:
“他们可能是一个像我们一样”
http://latterdayspence.blogspot.com/2009/05/that-they-may-be-one-as-we-are-one.html
我有问题。 神格是,我没有把握尽管一年左右的成员充分的思想。 我明白三位一体的概念和神格的概念是从不同的三位一体。 我明白天父,耶稣,圣灵是三个不同的人。 但我不知道他们是如何“团结目的。”如何工作? 你能解释一下有关它如何,我们作为人类功能的方式呢? 他们怎么知道神格的其他成员都在思考什么? 他们都聚在一起,并说:“这里的计划,这是我们要如何执行”? 或者是计划拯救计划和所有三名成员将自动知道如何使它工作吗? 我想与“完美的知识”的三名成员可以知道事情的方式是不同的,我们怎么知道事情没有可比性。 帮助?
Sunlize,
好再次听到你的! 我希望一切都与你们同在!
所以我常常听到神格相比,一主教,或第一任主席。 我不知道多远,你可以采取这种比喻,但在“unitedness”方面,我觉得这是很好的。 此外,在经文中,它似乎对我来说,父亲是“负责”比其他两个。 再次,不知道多远,你可以采取。 也许类似的吗?
我一直理解的替代,这是多神教神性的合一。 偶尔我三位一体的基督教朋友告诉我,我们在三个独立的神格众生的信念,意味着我们是多神教。 我想强调一点上帝的,他是“一个神”,是要指出的根本区别。
犹太人是第一个已知的宗教崇拜只有一个上帝,这是非常什么设定他们除了从世界各地。 考虑到希腊人,埃及人。 他们有一个太阳神,月亮,生育神,神,控制水,管理死亡的神,丰收神的神,醉酒,愈合,等所有的神做了一件不同。 他们有不同的目的,真的。 有时,他们甚至互相战斗。 这些人真正崇拜多神。
我一直想强调,我们的上帝是“一个神”是设置除了从时间的主要宗教。 显然是因为有一些更多的“一”的父亲,儿子,和比说,埃及人的神的圣灵。
我什至不能开始捉摸,父亲和儿子是“一”的方式。 我知道他们不是“本体论”,但他们是无限多的关系,团结,爱,真的很喜欢的方式布雷克马夫把它在另一个博客中,我们进行了一些福音交谈我批评。 他写道:
“只是为了记录在案,我断言,无论是父亲和儿子是永远神圣。 然而,在这个意义上的父亲的一个优先事项是父亲提供他的爱子,在每个瞬间的永恒的自由选择的儿子已经完全返回爱。 他们都提供自己的爱,圣灵和HG的自由选择返回爱每一个永恒的时刻。 它是凭借这个遗嘱自由的合作,这三者是一个神,也永远被一个神的爱渗透。 现在他们邀请我们到这个相同的关系。“
我认为,我们常常会忘记的一件事是单数名词往往是用来形容复数事物或宗旨是团结的人,例如,美国国会。 我们都知道,有一个以上的人在国会,但我们参照此作为国会的男子和妇女的身体。
我觉得这经文的时候,但不是所有的时间,是指以圣父,耶稣基督,在这样的圣灵。
此外,只是一个的有趣factoid:
圣经中提到约翰一书5:7-8内容:
5:7“是有三个熊的纪录,在天上的父亲,在Word,和圣灵:这三个是一个。
5:8有三个熊在地球的精神,和水,和血的见证:这三个在一个同意“。
称为逗号Johanneum。 这是不是原来的约翰一书的一部分,它被添加在中世纪晚期的一些手稿。
戴夫,文士,即使觉得他们需要的东西,以巩固他们的意见(巴特陆国际律师事务所,他们确实教),它不会作出很大的差异舔我。 我仍然认为没有必要,相信只有这样,才能明白神的统一性,是明白神的本体论是1。 有更多的方式来理解“统一性”比本体论或数字。 许多基督徒自己的假设读入的文本,但文本本身并不说明什么,他们认为它的状态。
正如我说后,我提供了一个以上的链接,“基督祈祷,为他的弟子约翰17点11分”,使他们可能是因为我们是一个“(新国际版)。 国王詹姆斯版本说:“他们可能是一个,因为我们是”新生活翻译把它像这样:“团结,就像我们”。 显然,这不是推断,我们都应该成为一个物质或暂时的,但在一个方面的关系,团结,爱。 这是比较符合我如何看待神性的统一。 耶稣希望我们能与他和父亲,他和父亲一样是一个。“
在上面的第一句话,我离开了“加”字。 的文士添加到“圣经”手稿的东西。 这是历史事实。 但它仍然不作任何区别。
见“巴特陆国际律师事务所:”错误引述耶稣:文士经文和读者可能永远不会知道谁改变“
http://latterdayspence.blogspot.com/2009/04/bart-ehrman-misquoting-jesus-scribes.html
清洁,
我不知道,如果你以为我最后发表的文章是在回应你的谈话,但并不意味着它来对付你说的什么。 只是一个有趣的事实。 进行。
我没有戴夫。 我同意这是一个有趣的事实,我只是小猪,支持您的评论。 谢谢。
换句话说,即使加入的手稿,上帝是“一”并不一定意味着神是本体论或数字。 这就是为什么不要紧如果100个这样的引用加入到我仍然不会改变任何东西。 其统一性在三个神格的神人的团结。
戴夫 - 是的,我还在这里。
有时我被埋在学校的东西和生活,然后,我很少有时间阅读和博客上发表。 不知何故,我错过了你们改变域,所以我的谷歌阅读器是不更新了。
总之,我认为神格和多神教之间的差异,可以看到在我们如何祈祷。 当我祈祷,我可能会被指示一个神格的一部分,但所有三名成员都能够听到并回答我的祷告。 例如,我祈求天父(“亲爱的天父......”),但我在耶稣基督的名(“耶稣基督,阿们的名字)。 然后期间和之后的祈祷,我靠圣灵给我的答案和/或方向。
如果雅典娜1多神祈祷,他并不期望,阿芙罗狄蒂或宙斯听到或回答他的祷告。
这是否有意义?
嗨,有一件事是真实的:三位一体,将永远是一个谜,有没有羞耻。
然而,试图戳孔教会历史事实和圣经的著作,是滑稽的时候有一个转换在摩门教chruch的更多inaccuaracies。 一个非-morman的(或前mormans),可以很容易地戳在1做作“天使来到我的”位由乔·史密斯先生,你是一个“政治”数字头脑,的摩门教chrich的核心信念的概念的乐趣。
“三位一体”的保留耶稣透露关于神的事实。
基本的事实是耶稣自己和他说什么。 耶稣曾经有人问什么是最大的诫命,他说,“以色列啊,你要听,耶和华我们的神,主是一个。 爱主你的神与你所有的心和你的灵魂和你的头脑和你所有的力量。“(马可福音12:29)换句话说,耶稣肯定是有一个上帝,但他也表示,”我与父原为一“(约翰福音10:30),并接受他的弟子的崇拜(马太福音2:11; 14:33; 28:9; 28:17;约翰9:38)。 他说,“他看到了我,就是看见了父”(约翰福音14:9)。他说,“当辅导员来,我会送你从父,真理的圣灵从父作证,他将我的。“(约翰福音15:26)
当你把所有耶稣的教导关于神和尝试来表达它,你来与三位一体 - 圣父,圣子和圣灵 - 三一。
三位一体的基督教信仰的原因很明显是关键。 作为非基督徒,我可以理解摩门教混乱。
我祈祷每天非信徒。 上帝保佑!
哦,天哪,丹,以“尊重”的评论一样,你几乎说服我成为creedal基督教。 我在哪里注册?
其实,作为一个LDS基督徒,我宁愿一个连贯的神学,这不是自相矛盾。
丹,
我相信你已经猜到了,我们不考虑这些经文是在所有我们的信念相反。 上帝和耶稣基督,你在读条,是“之一”。我们的目的和崇拜。
圣经中的经文表明,耶稣基督和父神是两个独立的生命是丰富的。 如此丰富,我会在这里就不一一列举了。 但这里是一个清单,其中61为您在您的休闲阅读。
它应再次再次强调,虽然我们看到圣经的证据指向迈向nontrinitarian神的丰富,我们拒绝三位一体的主要原因是因为上帝和耶稣基督透露自己约瑟夫史密斯分别。
很有意思,但我有点困惑。 如果摩门教徒相信上帝,耶稣,圣灵是分开的,但是上帝,这意味着摩门教徒有3神吗? (oposed相信在1神的基督徒)。 此外,摩门教徒相信在任何其他的比耶稣,圣灵,与神神吗?
很好的问题。 我们相信,所有三名成员神格值得的标题是“上帝”,所以在这个意义上说,我们相信在三神。 这样说,我警告你不要落入陷阱,我已经看到了许多别人做。 谁不希望了解的人往往会寻找到的东西的意图,有意识或以其他方式发现一些不愉快,使他们能够证明自己在寻找没有进一步。 请不要让自己如此狭义的定义,相信你看不出如何在近代发现的教义同意与圣经的教导,在“神”是什么意思。 我承诺,我们教每一个信念可以与圣经的教导调和,如果你让自己学习,然后你可以看到你的“圣经”的理解,关于耶稣的增长突飞猛进。 你能做到吗?
我可以举出一个条目?
“在上面的第一句话,我离开了这个词”添加“。 的文士添加到“圣经”手稿的东西。 这是历史事实。 但它仍然不作任何区别。
见“巴特陆国际律师事务所:”错误引述耶稣:文士经文和读者可能永远不会知道谁改变“
http://latterdayspence.blogspot.com/2009/04/bart-ehrman-misquoting-jesus-scribes.html “
我很抱歉,但今天大多数的基督徒拒绝任何,欧威廉状态。 有更好的神学报价 - 谁比似乎不同意巴特的结论(他有一个巨大的别有用心,如果你看起来anough长会发现,将启发讨论)。 如果你来我家,并开始从欧威廉先生引述,我会笑你走出大楼。 真的。 他是那么糟糕。 因此,事实上,你永远不会达到自己的信仰跟我说话的点差。 这将是我自己的信仰的侮辱。 我有朋友读陆国际律师事务所,使他们能够知道他在说什么,但大多不会招待他。
我知道有些人认为“此外,由”编纂“约翰一书约翰部分,但历史不会*一定*证明是这样的话。 从自由和其他难民营的神学倾向于同意不同意。 这并不重要。 作为一个基督徒认真寻找它在LDS信仰,我看到了对传统的“三位一体”作为一个稻草人参数。 这将是更好地专注于我们所说的“神性”的成员之间的关系存在。 我知道的一个神学家称此“上帝谁是永不孤独”的原则。 我喜欢这一点。
(和我的意思是一个非摩门教基督教)是一个基督教的重要问题,是否信奉基督教信仰的一组宣告耶稣是神。 正是在这里,你会经常发现一个战场。 基督教神学对这个问题远远超过欧威廉可靠的一个例子是罗伯特·中号鲍曼的“以耶稣在他的地方”,对基督的神性思维的批判与历史很好的例子。 对三位一体,你会发现许多意见 - 从正统福音。 大部分都同意上帝是三位一体'一'。 这怎么清晰
对我来说,你的神性的看法似乎是最清晰的,如果我是你,我会使用,以帮助人们了解上帝谁是永不孤独,而不是一些古怪的神学家,自称基督徒的信仰,但大多接受那些基督教信仰的外
对不起,如果我有得罪人
保罗
不,保罗。 没有采取罪行。 我从来没有读过陆国际律师事务所的事情,但我很欣赏你的警告,我可能要看看在鲍曼。
它诱人跳进争吵和争论上帝三位一体的世界观性质,但我们摩门教徒必须要记住,我们的上帝的概念不是来自于神学辩论。 据透露先知。
我同意你,保罗。 我们的神性的看法是非常明确的。
这是一个令人着迷的讨论! 我可以看到我已经加入较晚。 我只是想确保我听到这一点摩门教教义正确。 (我不是摩门教徒,所以这是所有新的给我。)是真正的国家,摩门教徒相信天父,耶稣,圣灵都值得上帝指定的,但每个有三个不同的部分神性? 换句话说,有三个,但它是从一个三位一体的不同,因为那里是没有“完美”的统一(或统一),作为三位一体的基督徒会断言。 是你想在这里说什么吗?
@马克:
我们会说,有一个“完美”圣父,圣子和圣灵之间的团结。 但是,我们并不认为物质(即相同的人的一部分)的统一是必要的,以实现一个完美的统一。 他们是一个意图,知识的目的,爱等
啊,好。 我明白你对团结的意思。 感谢您的澄清,亚历山大。 是什么史蒂夫上面说的(“我们相信,所有三名成员神格值得的标题是”上帝“...”)规范摩门教的启示的理解?
我不得不说,我很感谢这个博客。 它确实有助于了解什么摩门教徒相信。 有大量的信息,使一些比较偏颇和还原摩门教的解释。 此,随着摩门教的网站,已经帮助。
别客气。 史蒂夫是准确的,在某种意义上说。 我们做考虑神格拥有的神的属性的每个成员。 在我看来,它是过于混乱说摩门教徒崇拜多神,但是,由于我们真的不这样看。
这本书的摩门教徒,使这一学说很清楚:
“现在,看哪,我亲爱的弟兄们,这是 方式;有没有其他方式,也即人可以被保存在神的国度在天上的名字。 现在,看哪,这是基督的教义,唯一的父亲和真正的教义,和儿子,和圣灵,这是一个上帝没有结束。 阿门“ - 2。尼31:21(斜体矿)
http://lds.org/scriptures/bofm/2-ne/31.21?lang=eng#20
与所有应有的尊重,做摩门教真的认为这是神会等待,直到1800年,揭示他的真理,一个男孩谁是他的信仰的不确定性,错误留在世界上近1900年以来基督的阿森松岛可能吗? 我不是说这是对立的,这是您的看法,我只是真正好奇。
上帝保佑你。
对不起,以及跳跃到这么晚了......但这是我的迷人......
有趣的是,我看到人们如何处理与看似矛盾的定义三个完全的神(圣父,圣子和圣灵),只有一个神的经文。 也许摩门教徒有它的时候,他们说,分享神格称号有三个独立的神,或者基督徒,权当他们宣称他们不可能了解,但正是“圣经”说,有三种不同的这是神圣的人物,但只有一个神。
不同意的情况下,似乎所有我们能做的就是看每个信仰所带来的后果。
如果有三个神神格,另一种文字的儿子,有内,神格层次的含义。 如果这是真的,那么,层次如何建立? 杨百翰教授说,“上帝创造了你和我喜欢自己成为神的目的时,我们已证明,在我们目前的能力,我们拥有了所有的事情,他的忠实。 我们正在创建的,我们出生成长从低成年房地产的明确目的,要成为神,好像我们在天上的父。 这是关于它的真理,只是因为它是“( 话语 3:93 )。“三个一个层次分明的神的想法,需要为将要建立的层次结构的方式,通过这种方式是由摩门教提供永恒进步的理念。 然而永恒的进展,也创建短短三年,但法官的人的努力,以确定他对神性的个人进步的水平,以及无限的神,一个福音。
秉承神宣布他的永恒的合一,基督徒可以美化自己的过去,现在和未来,可以提交给他的永恒的正义和力量。 并相信圣父,圣子和圣灵的神,基督徒可以体验上帝的牺牲,我们不断存在深不可测的礼物。
这是什么摩门教徒相信混乱。 犹太人和穆斯林相信在1神1神的体现。 基督徒相信神(三位一体),这本身混淆在3表现。 摩门教徒相信(我认为)3神与人类神化像罗马皇帝死后被神化的可能性。 印度教徒相信在1神许多manisfestations的神。 佛教徒不相信上帝。 我唯一真正的一神教是犹太人和穆斯林的休息(基督教,摩门教徒和印度教徒)多神教。 但摩门教徒似乎是最神教甚至超越了印度教徒,因为他们相信人类成为神的可能性,所以神可以在数以百万计! 我不仅是犹太人,穆斯林和佛教徒在所有的任何意义,但没有宗教意义,我想。
乔,
我很好奇:为什么在你的看法是一神教宗教的金标准?
您可以合理地划分为摩门教徒Monolatrists ,“那些承认许多神的存在,但始终只崇拜一个神。”在这个意义上说,我们是从古罗马的不同(我们不崇拜已故摩门教徒)和接近摩西和以色列古代多神教 (约公元前600年约西亚王前申命记改革)。
撒迪厄斯,
一神教是不是宗教的黄金标准,在我的看法,但似乎是在几乎每个人的。 在我看来,只有真正的一神教是犹太人和穆斯林。 基督教徒,印度教徒和摩门教徒说,他们只有神崇拜,但不知何故,他们似乎在这个过程中,在其他许多适合。 我可不在乎什么童话故事的人的人相信,只要留下我一个人。
乔,
你说,“基督徒相信神(三位一体),这本身混淆在3表现。”
只是为了澄清基督教认为,上帝是那圣经。 上帝只有一个,但圣父,圣子和圣灵是所有的神...三个永恒的,不同的人......所有的神。 区别是永恒的一部分。 所有三人已经存在是永恒的;那里和参与创作的。 他们没有任何其他创建。 这是基督教和任何命名多于一个上帝的信仰体系之间的差异。 And while it is confusing, any Being that is omnipresent, omnipotent, and omniscient; who created me and everything else that ever was, is probably beyond my understanding. That is why John says that eternal life is to know God…we will be able to spend eternity coming to know and enjoy and love our God!
I know the definition (I went to Catholic school) of the trinity. I just find it kinda silly & made up. It took almost 500 to “figure it out” over the dead bodies of millions of people. I still say the Jewish/Muslim definition of God as one & indivisible makes the most sense (not that I believe .
Would you say those who don't believe the trinity (the Jews & Muslims for example) will go to hell? Ths is what the nuns said in Catholic school & I found it so cruel, unbelievable & callous that it destroyed any chance I had to believe in such a Hitler-God.
Joe,
I don't believe that either. I think you'd find out a lot about God that you would intuitively agree with if you'd give yourself a chance to keep looking.
I don't think we will ever know God fully until we are living with Him for eternity, but until then I'll just read His word and allow His Spirit to help me try to make sense of it.
So, I am confused. Does LDS believe in the Father as a God, and Jesus as a God, and The Holy Spirit as a God? Or are They One God? In Three physical Persons. I understand one in purpose, because even if they were One God not Many gods they would still be one in purpose. I just want to know if LDS believes in One God or Many gods. Thank you so Much!
Christ said he who sees me, sees the Father. He also said to the pharisees, “I and my father are one and the same” A Clear way to see the triune God is the father and the son( begotton, not made). and the Holy spirit being the self donating love between the father and the son. God is a triune God, not three separate entities.
Mandi,
Here is what I found in the bible dictionary (an LDS study help) concerning what we believe:
“God: The supreme Governor of the universe and the Father of mankind. We learn from the revelations that have been given that there are three separate persons in the Godhead: the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost. From latter-day revelation we learn that the Father and the Son have tangible bodies of flesh and bone, and that the Holy Ghost is a personage of spirit without flesh and bone (D&C 130:22–23).
When one speaks of God, it is generally the Father who is referred to; that is, Elohim. All mankind are his children. The personage known as Jehovah in Old Testament times, and who is usually identified in the Old Testament asLord (in capital letters), is the Son, known as Jesus Christ, and who is also a God. Jesus works under the direction of the Father and is in complete harmony with him. All mankind are his brethren and sisters, he being the eldest of the spirit children of Elohim. Many of the things that the scripture says were done by God were actually done by theLord (Jesus). Thus the scripture says that “God created the heaven and the earth” (Gen. 1:1), but we know that it was actually the Lord (Jesus) who was the creator (John 1:3, 10), or as Paul said, God created all things by Christ Jesus (Eph. 3:9). The Holy Ghost is also a God and is variously called the Holy Spirit, the Spirit, the Spirit of God, etc.”
I hope this answers your questions about what we believe!
Very interesting reading. I hvae been led here by the Holy Spirit of God.
I would like to say initially that I am not posting to convert anyone or
to say this is how good MY OPINION is. I am only relaying information as it is found in the NKJV of the bible. I ask that others read this, pray and ask for knowledge, wisdom, understanding and humility.
With much contemplation, the best explanation that has helped me understand [within my human limitations] is the following analogy. Snow, Ice and Fog are all Separate forms of the ONE; namely Water. Yet, all three can exist at the same time and have separate identities but in true real terms are but ONE with each performing their own common work according to the distinct personal property of which it is made.
The other interesting point is that I see no reference to the Old testament. God clearly does speak and say who He is in the Old testament as well as the New.
Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
Isaiah 42:8 I [am] the LORD: that [is] my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.
Isaiah 43:3 For I [am] the LORD thy God, the Holy One of Israel, thy Saviour: I gave Egypt [for] thy ransom, Ethiopia and Seba for thee.
I believe it is not only egotistical, but futile for us to try and define God to fit our limited minds. We do not have the capacity to comprehend the wonders of the universe or its Creator. That's why we call it a faith. So whatever you believe, if that's what makes you happy, go with it and don't worry about what someone else believes.
Omnipotent One,
I would have to disagree with the statement, “So whatever you believe, if that's what makes you happy, go with it…” The Bible has clear truths laid out for us. If we say believe whatever makes us happy, we will believe that all mankind will go to heaven. But the Bible clearly states that whoever does not accept Christ as Savior will go to hell. John 3:18, 36 rev. 20:14, Romans 6:23…Jesus said I am the way the TRUTH and the Life no man cometh unto the Father but by me- John14:6. If we have no the truth the father is not in us. This is talked about in I John. 2: 21-25.
Back to the Trinity/ Godhead ,
Concerning the godhead or trinity. According to a Mormon missionary I talked to, there are three separate gods- the Father, the Son (Jesus Christ), and the Holy Spirit. separate in deity but one in purpose. However, when studying the Bible I found many verses that would say other wise.
Isaiah 43: 10 -Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.
Isaiah 44:6 – Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.
Isaiah 44:8 – Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any.
You will see this message repeated throughout Isaiah 45 as well.
I John 5:7 – For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
Heb 1: 8 – But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
If Jesus is separate from God the Father, then how God can refer to Him as God? Because the other verses clearly state that there is one God. Not many.
Even the Book Of Mormon says in Alma 11: 26 – 29 that there is “One true and living God.”
Again in Alma 11:38-39 saya that Jesus is the “very eternal Father”
verse 44 of the same chapter says ” Christ the Son,and God the Father, and the Holy Spirit, which is one Eternal Father.”
@Omnipotent, that is the reason why I stated that this was not my “opinion” and sent forth information from the NKJV of the bible. The point is contrary to what is expressed by your opinion. There was no attempt by me to define the infinite Almighty God or to say this is who GOD is defined as. God himself wants us to know Him and have a relationship with Him and stated who He is. That is the exact point of why He tells us who He is as demonstrated in the passages [noted at a minimum for example] of the Old Testament as well as the New Testament. As stated in Isaiah 55:8-9, His ways are higher than our ways. His thoughts are greater than our thoughts which is why His Word through the Son and the Holy Spirit of God have been revealed so that we might have this relationship.
This is His WAY, His Truth and His Life.
God Loves me and has revealed himself therfore I am blessed to be able to love Him as the Father, Son and Holy Spirit of God. Not the other way around.
In the New Testament I would refer to you the following for additional insight.
John 1:14 14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
John:1:1-2 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
God's Peace, Love and Spiritual Joy to all.
In Jesus Christ our Lord, God and Savior.
Amen
As is true for even many Christians, the scriptural meaning of God's makeup has been totally missed here. God is not three people. Nor is anyone else. And God is not one dimensional either. Nor is anyone ese. This is explained without error in John 1 of the Bible, that states that the Word (Jesus) was with God and WAS God and became flesh and dwelt among men. Jesus is not a separate God person or even a separate person. Jesus IS God. I ask that you read on.
When God made man He stated, “Let US make man in OUR image.” The question then is how are we all made alike that we are in God's image? We do not look alike, think alike, believe alike or even behave alike. The way we are all the same here on earth is that we all have a physical body, we all have a mind and we all have a soul. THAT is how we are made in the image of God who is God the Father (the Mind), Jesus Christ (the Body that puts into reality what the Mind decides) and the Holy Spirit (the Soul of God). God is not God without His three dimensions just as we are not ourselves without our three dimensions. Whereas we are limited by time and space which prevents us from experiencing the three parts of us separate and yet one, God created Time and Space and is therefore not limited. We do experience it at one point – death – when our soul and our mind leave our dead body to be given a new body in Heaven or Hell. At that point, we understand how God's three aspects can operate outside of one another.
Jesus Christ says that we must accept Him as He is “I AM” – God in the Flesh - and if He is not accepted thus, and made Lord over every part of one's own body, mind and soul then one does not understand the Truth and is not saved. 想想看,。 It is a simple truth that only Christ can give and that no man can make up.
Mary, you seem to understand the trinity to be an expression of three of God's united parts (mind, body, and soul). 是这样吗? Do you believe that we are all composed of the same three parts (mind, body, and soul)? Do you believe that I am a trinity myself in some way?
Thank you for this article, in an attempt to explain the differences in Mormon views with mainstream Modern Christianity. It seems that the Mormons are closer to the Truth than Modern Christianity, yet still are lost in egotism.
But, I have to correct you on a glaring discrepancy in your article – there is nothing in the Tanakh, nor in the original documents of the Roman Canon, that even allude to the Trinitarian views of the Roman councils.
First Deuteronomy 6:4 speaks of an ancient Jewish belief that is similar to what modern science has defined as 'Panentheism', yet it is so much more. All is of God, is God, and is God's. Furthermore, the “Tanakh” states repeatedly, that, in reference to God, 'there is none else'.
Secondly, the reference to 1John 5:7 cannot be even taken into this argument, as it was inserted into the Roman Canon specifically as an attempt to verify the Roman Trinitarian belief. Scholars commonly call this inserted line as the 'Comma Johanneum'. This line 'somehow' crept into the “First Epistle of John” some time in the Middle Ages.
And, lastly, to truly understand your third quote of supposed verification of the Trinitarian views, John 10:30, one must understand my first point, as well as John 17:21-23. We are all 'One' with the Father, yet we do not yet perceive our 'Oneness' or 'Unity' with God. If we did, we would have a greater love for all of Humanity, and Creation, and would also understand how everything is Holy and Sanctified in God, yes even those whom we term as wicked.
It is only through this Understanding that the true message of the true Scriptures can be understood.
When one says there is not a reference to the Trinity in Roman Cannon, that
appears to be either a vague reference to a person's inability to understand
scripture or it is not accurate since all Councils were dependent on
Laborious Study of Scripture. I will simply make reference to Matthew 28:19
where the apostles are called [ie. as we are called ] to
Go, therefore, * and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the holy Spirit,
This passages is taken directly from the USCCB [Catholic Bishops] website where there is an online version of the bible.
http://www.usccb.org/bible/matthew/28
So to further clarify, YES, there is clear reference to the Trinity in the WORD. Also to be clear this is not the 'only' reference.
Unfortunately this will not suffice for Literalistic viewpoints. Some will argue that there is no word messiah in the bible also because the literal word may state Messias. Does that mean there is no Messiah? In this case Trinity is not specified as a specific word, does it mean that the Trinity is non-existent?
In both cases a resounding NO. They do exist and one more WORD should be invoked, Faith, FAITH in GOD. If you have no Faith in GOD, then the WORD is just meaningless words on paper.
NKJV
19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
God's Peace, Love and Spiritual Joy to all.
In Jesus Christ our Lord, God and Savior.
Amen
Hi RC,
Unfortunately, that part of Matthew was not part of the original text. This is historical fact. You can have whatever belief you choose, but the Truth will always be the Truth. Rome has done a great injustice to the world by changing these writings to verify their Trinitarian views.
Frankly, the “Tanakh”, or as you know them to be the 'Old Testament', tells of 'Two Anointed Ones', and all of the 'Scriptures' have not been fulfilled. If you truly knew how to read 'Scriptures' outside of the lies of Rome, and of the writings of the anti-christ Saul of Tarsus (yes, the anti-christ as verified by the book of “Acts” and the writings of the true Apostles), you would know. Yet, God has a plan that will soon be disclosed and that is the fulfillment of the 'Knowledge of Good and Evil'.
Jesus is not God, he was a fellow servant of God. He was the 'model' of life, not the 'idol'. If I were you, I would fear the First Commandment and live as such.
May the Peace, Love and Light of God be with you!