<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"
	xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/"
		>
<channel>
	<title>Comments on: The Standard of God</title>
	<atom:link href="http://www.whatdomormonsbelieve.com/2010/05/the-standard-of-god/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" />
	<link>http://www.whatdomormonsbelieve.com/2010/05/the-standard-of-god/</link>
	<description>&#34;We believe in being honest, true, chaste, benevolent, virtuous, and in doing good to all men.&#34;   -Joseph Smith</description>
	<lastBuildDate>Fri, 03 Feb 2012 19:20:21 +0000</lastBuildDate>
	<sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod>
	<sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency>
	<generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1</generator>
	<item>
		<title>By: Patty</title>
		<link>http://www.whatdomormonsbelieve.com/2010/05/the-standard-of-god/comment-page-1/#comment-1849</link>
		<dc:creator>Patty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Aug 2011 02:27:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.whatdomormonsbelieve.com/?p=2422#comment-1849</guid>
		<description>Bret,
Still trying to understand the difference between &quot;in&quot; and &quot;from&quot; sins.  Not sure what you are getting at.  Would you mind following what I found and then answering some questions I have... maybe then I can understand you better.
 
&lt;strong&gt;SIN:&lt;/strong&gt;
Here are some verses I found that help me define sin.  Would you agree with these verses?
 

Sin is the transgression of the law. - 1 John 3:4&lt;em&gt; 
&lt;/em&gt;


Whatever is not of faith is sin - Romans 14:23; 


All unrighteousness is sin - 1 John 5:17;


To know what good you should do and then not do it, it is sin- James 4:17


Finally, I assume you hold to this as well; there so many diverse ways to commit sin that they can&#039;t even be numbered and include sins in thought, word and deed, failing to observe the commandments, and not continuing in the faith. - Mosiah 4:29-30?

 

&lt;em&gt;&lt;/em&gt;
&lt;strong&gt;CONSEQUENCES OF SIN:&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;
&lt;/em&gt;
It is so true and I agree that there are surely natural or temporal consequences to sin and bad choices.  Smoking leads to cancer...  Immorality leads to STDs... Lying leads to a bad reputation... and so on.  
 
You also mentioned there are spiritual consequences to sin as well.  Here are some I found.  Would you agree with these as well?

Consequences or wages of sin is death - Romans 6:23
Fearful, unbelievers, corrupt, murderers, liars and so forth end up in the lake that burns w/ fire. - Revelation 21:8
ALSO, in the Mormon canon: Liars will be thrust into hell. - 2 Nephi 9:34
He who sins and does not repent will be cast out - D&amp;C 42:28
Without repenting, the light you have will be taken away - D&amp;C 1:33
If you fail to repent before you die, the Spirit of Lord withdraws from you and the devil seals you to himself - Alma 34:35.

 
 
Here is what I think you mean, and please correct me if I am misunderstanding you:  if we repent, we can be forgiven and avoid the  spiritual consequences of sin?  If we repent, we are not &quot;in&quot; sin anymore?  Also by truly repenting, we are saved from our sins and Christ helps us remove the desire to be disobedient?  Is that what you mean?  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bret,<br />
Still trying to understand the difference between &#8220;in&#8221; and &#8220;from&#8221; sins.  Not sure what you are getting at.  Would you mind following what I found and then answering some questions I have&#8230; maybe then I can understand you better.<br />
 <br />
<strong>SIN:</strong><br />
Here are some verses I found that help me define sin.  Would you agree with these verses?<br />
 </p>
<p>Sin is the transgression of the law. &#8211; 1 John 3:4<em><br />
</em></p>
<p>Whatever is not of faith is sin &#8211; Romans 14:23; </p>
<p>All unrighteousness is sin &#8211; 1 John 5:17;</p>
<p>To know what good you should do and then not do it, it is sin- James 4:17</p>
<p>Finally, I assume you hold to this as well; there so many diverse ways to commit sin that they can&#8217;t even be numbered and include sins in thought, word and deed, failing to observe the commandments, and not continuing in the faith. &#8211; Mosiah 4:29-30?</p>
<p> </p>
<p><em></em><br />
<strong>CONSEQUENCES OF SIN:</strong><em><br />
</em><br />
It is so true and I agree that there are surely natural or temporal consequences to sin and bad choices.  Smoking leads to cancer&#8230;  Immorality leads to STDs&#8230; Lying leads to a bad reputation&#8230; and so on. <br />
 <br />
You also mentioned there are spiritual consequences to sin as well.  Here are some I found.  Would you agree with these as well?</p>
<p>Consequences or wages of sin is death &#8211; Romans 6:23<br />
Fearful, unbelievers, corrupt, murderers, liars and so forth end up in the lake that burns w/ fire. &#8211; Revelation 21:8<br />
ALSO, in the Mormon canon: Liars will be thrust into hell. &#8211; 2 Nephi 9:34<br />
He who sins and does not repent will be cast out &#8211; D&amp;C 42:28<br />
Without repenting, the light you have will be taken away &#8211; D&amp;C 1:33<br />
If you fail to repent before you die, the Spirit of Lord withdraws from you and the devil seals you to himself &#8211; Alma 34:35.</p>
<p> <br />
 <br />
Here is what I think you mean, and please correct me if I am misunderstanding you:  if we repent, we can be forgiven and avoid the  spiritual consequences of sin?  If we repent, we are not &#8220;in&#8221; sin anymore?  Also by truly repenting, we are saved from our sins and Christ helps us remove the desire to be disobedient?  Is that what you mean? </p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Bret</title>
		<link>http://www.whatdomormonsbelieve.com/2010/05/the-standard-of-god/comment-page-1/#comment-1843</link>
		<dc:creator>Bret</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Aug 2011 23:27:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.whatdomormonsbelieve.com/?p=2422#comment-1843</guid>
		<description>&lt;p&gt;Yes, God does punish sinners, but I see most consequences of our actions as a natural end. God does not choose to afflict smokers with cancer, chronic liars with social problems...etc, one naturally comes from the other. God instead warns us of things we need to avoid, not only to protect us from temporal consequences (ones pertaining to this life), but spiritual ones as well.

Alma 11:37 is from the middle of the &quot;saved in your sins&quot; vs &quot;saved from your sins&quot; discussion. We cannot be saved in our sins, our sins being the willful disobedience to God. We can be saved from our sins, that is, Christ can help us remove the willful disobedience part from ourselves through repentance.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, God does punish sinners, but I see most consequences of our actions as a natural end. God does not choose to afflict smokers with cancer, chronic liars with social problems&#8230;etc, one naturally comes from the other. God instead warns us of things we need to avoid, not only to protect us from temporal consequences (ones pertaining to this life), but spiritual ones as well.</p>
<p>Alma 11:37 is from the middle of the &#8220;saved in your sins&#8221; vs &#8220;saved from your sins&#8221; discussion. We cannot be saved in our sins, our sins being the willful disobedience to God. We can be saved from our sins, that is, Christ can help us remove the willful disobedience part from ourselves through repentance.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Patty</title>
		<link>http://www.whatdomormonsbelieve.com/2010/05/the-standard-of-god/comment-page-1/#comment-1837</link>
		<dc:creator>Patty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Aug 2011 15:08:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.whatdomormonsbelieve.com/?p=2422#comment-1837</guid>
		<description>Bret,
Even though this is an old article, I had some questions for you on this topic.
 
Standards are great.  I especially like the title, &quot;The Standard of God.&quot;  You said, &quot;First and foremost, God has a standard.&quot;  I agree with you... God is righteous in all His ways, there is no variation in his righteousness and He is pure, holy and just too. A few verses come to mind about this, and I assume you agree w/ these verses.
 
&lt;em&gt;1 John 1:5, &quot;This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all&quot; 
&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;em&gt;&lt;/em&gt;
&lt;em&gt;Deuteronomy 32:4 &quot;He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he.&quot; 
&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;em&gt;&lt;/em&gt;
&lt;em&gt;Psalm 5:4 &quot;For thou [art] not a God that hath pleasure in wickedness: neither shall evil dwell with thee.&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

&lt;em&gt;&lt;/em&gt;
I think the part that confused me is when you said, &quot;&lt;em&gt;It isn’t so much that God will punish those who break commandments.&quot;  &lt;/em&gt;Perhaps I just misunderstood your point.  I always thought that the LDS believe God does punish sinners/commandment breakers; at least that is what I got from the Book of Mormon.  
 
What do you suppose is God&#039;s standard for us?  Do you hold to Alma 11:37 as being true?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bret,<br />
Even though this is an old article, I had some questions for you on this topic.<br />
 <br />
Standards are great.  I especially like the title, &#8220;The Standard of God.&#8221;  You said, &#8220;First and foremost, God has a standard.&#8221;  I agree with you&#8230; God is righteous in all His ways, there is no variation in his righteousness and He is pure, holy and just too. A few verses come to mind about this, and I assume you agree w/ these verses.<br />
 <br />
<em>1 John 1:5, &#8220;This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all&#8221;<br />
</em></p>
<p><em></em><br />
<em>Deuteronomy 32:4 &#8220;He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he.&#8221;<br />
</em></p>
<p><em></em><br />
<em>Psalm 5:4 &#8220;For thou [art] not a God that hath pleasure in wickedness: neither shall evil dwell with thee.&#8221;</em></p>
<p><em></em><br />
I think the part that confused me is when you said, &#8220;<em>It isn’t so much that God will punish those who break commandments.&#8221;  </em>Perhaps I just misunderstood your point.  I always thought that the LDS believe God does punish sinners/commandment breakers; at least that is what I got from the Book of Mormon. <br />
 <br />
What do you suppose is God&#8217;s standard for us?  Do you hold to Alma 11:37 as being true?</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Bus Gillespie</title>
		<link>http://www.whatdomormonsbelieve.com/2010/05/the-standard-of-god/comment-page-1/#comment-1016</link>
		<dc:creator>Bus Gillespie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jun 2010 23:29:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.whatdomormonsbelieve.com/?p=2422#comment-1016</guid>
		<description>True true, when people knowingly depart from the standards set by the Lord they adopt another standard, whether they admit it or not.  Generally it emphasizes tolerance, and acceptance because they are seeking justification for their own actions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>True true, when people knowingly depart from the standards set by the Lord they adopt another standard, whether they admit it or not.  Generally it emphasizes tolerance, and acceptance because they are seeking justification for their own actions.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Jan</title>
		<link>http://www.whatdomormonsbelieve.com/2010/05/the-standard-of-god/comment-page-1/#comment-986</link>
		<dc:creator>Jan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jun 2010 02:31:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.whatdomormonsbelieve.com/?p=2422#comment-986</guid>
		<description>Great post, Bret.  Insightful and thoughtful way to present our motivations for living God&#039;s laws.  Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post, Bret.  Insightful and thoughtful way to present our motivations for living God&#8217;s laws.  Thanks.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
</channel>
</rss>

