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		<title>By: joanne brown</title>
		<link>http://www.whatdomormonsbelieve.com/2009/08/is-jesus-the-only-son-of-god/comment-page-1/#comment-2125</link>
		<dc:creator>joanne brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jan 2012 23:03:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is only one god and jesus christ is a great prophet born to a virgin through the power of god who can perform anything.In the Koran it teaches that when the jews came to enquire about the birth of Jesus, Jesus sat up in the cradle and told them that he was a great prophet from  God and that a book would be written in his name</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is only one god and jesus christ is a great prophet born to a virgin through the power of god who can perform anything.In the Koran it teaches that when the jews came to enquire about the birth of Jesus, Jesus sat up in the cradle and told them that he was a great prophet from  God and that a book would be written in his name</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Oct 2011 23:14:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;@Ron, Agreed about Jesus being with God before taking earthly form.  Agreed that the people seeing and talking to the Lord or God could be referring to the Son of God.  So. . . I guess that settles that?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Ron, Agreed about Jesus being with God before taking earthly form.  Agreed that the people seeing and talking to the Lord or God could be referring to the Son of God.  So. . . I guess that settles that?</p>
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		<title>By: Ron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Oct 2011 16:43:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Dave, what I think Jose is referring to is that Jesus, being God himself, existed in the triune deity prior to being born as a man on earth.  Thus, he was in existence as God the son even before taking earthly form.  So the scriptures about people seeing and talking to the Lord or God could be referring to the Son of God, who was and is and is to come.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Dave, what I think Jose is referring to is that Jesus, being God himself, existed in the triune deity prior to being born as a man on earth.  Thus, he was in existence as God the son even before taking earthly form.  So the scriptures about people seeing and talking to the Lord or God could be referring to the Son of God, who was and is and is to come.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Apr 2011 20:49:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Jose,

I did my part and read your scriptures.  There is a scripture that says no man can see God and live.  There are also numerous scriptures about people seeing or talking to the LORD or God.  

1)  What do any of those scriptures have to do with Jesus?  (A lot of Mormons would agree with you that who Moses was talking to was Jesus, by the way)

2)  Even if was Jesus they were talking to, what does that have to do with whether or not Jesus is created?

&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jose,</p>
<p>I did my part and read your scriptures.  There is a scripture that says no man can see God and live.  There are also numerous scriptures about people seeing or talking to the LORD or God.  </p>
<p>1)  What do any of those scriptures have to do with Jesus?  (A lot of Mormons would agree with you that who Moses was talking to was Jesus, by the way)</p>
<p>2)  Even if was Jesus they were talking to, what does that have to do with whether or not Jesus is created?</p>
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		<title>By: Jose</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Apr 2011 16:01:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Really quick. God told Moses &quot;no man can see God and live&quot; so here is where u do your part. Read Genesis 18 and verse 1 of chapter 19. Ask yourself this question &quot;if no man can see God and live, who was he talking to?&quot;  There are many other verses like this one for example Genesis 32:24-31.  The person both were talking about was God or LORD.  This person is Jesus. Not a created being but God himself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Really quick. God told Moses &#8220;no man can see God and live&#8221; so here is where u do your part. Read Genesis 18 and verse 1 of chapter 19. Ask yourself this question &#8220;if no man can see God and live, who was he talking to?&#8221;  There are many other verses like this one for example Genesis 32:24-31.  The person both were talking about was God or LORD.  This person is Jesus. Not a created being but God himself.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Feb 2011 17:25:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave C,

That&#039;s a lot of good questions.  I&#039;ll write some of my thoughts on the first few, and maybe I can do some more reading and get back to you on some of the others, though I suspect that you would do just as well as I would looking for the answers.  Maybe some of the other contributors can contribute some thoughts.  But you being yourself a Mormon, as I assume you are, I would also be interested to know what you believe (this being a site about what Mormons believe).

&lt;i&gt;Does the church teach that we are the literal spiritual offspring of God?&lt;/i&gt; 
I think the phrase &quot;literal spiritual&quot; is a little bit funny, but yes, if you search &quot;literal spiritual&quot; in lds.org, you will see plenty of references to God as our literal spiritual Father.  And I think the phrase is used to distinguish his fatherhood in the more literal #1 sense (in the above post) from his fatherhood in the #3 sense, because they are both &quot;spiritual.&quot;

&lt;i&gt; Are we his literal spiritual offspring in the same sense that Jesus was his literal spiritual offspring? &lt; /i&gt;
That&#039;s my understanding.  Jesus, the &quot;elder brother&quot;, the &quot;firstborn&quot; is definitely special, but it doesn&#039;t appear to be some sort of fundamental difference.

&lt;/i&gt;&lt;i&gt;were we &quot;organized&quot; from some sort of &quot;intelligence&quot; or were we born? &lt; /i&gt;
Considering that we are talking about our spirits, I&#039;m not sure those mutually exclusive.  But if what you&#039;re asking is &quot;is there a part of us (ie &quot;intelligence&quot;) that was not created by God?&quot;  I think the answer is yes (see D&amp;C 93:29).

Your other questions seem to revolve around the question of how exactly the literal spiritual begetting works, and exactly to what extent our spiritual selves are created by God.  I don&#039;t have the foggiest idea how it works, or what exactly the metaphysical composition of our spirits is, even enough to speculate, but I am certainly interested in people&#039;s opinions on the subject.&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave C,</p>
<p>That&#8217;s a lot of good questions.  I&#8217;ll write some of my thoughts on the first few, and maybe I can do some more reading and get back to you on some of the others, though I suspect that you would do just as well as I would looking for the answers.  Maybe some of the other contributors can contribute some thoughts.  But you being yourself a Mormon, as I assume you are, I would also be interested to know what you believe (this being a site about what Mormons believe).</p>
<p><i>Does the church teach that we are the literal spiritual offspring of God?</i><br />
I think the phrase &#8220;literal spiritual&#8221; is a little bit funny, but yes, if you search &#8220;literal spiritual&#8221; in lds.org, you will see plenty of references to God as our literal spiritual Father.  And I think the phrase is used to distinguish his fatherhood in the more literal #1 sense (in the above post) from his fatherhood in the #3 sense, because they are both &#8220;spiritual.&#8221;</p>
<p><i> Are we his literal spiritual offspring in the same sense that Jesus was his literal spiritual offspring? < /i><br />
That&#8217;s my understanding.  Jesus, the &#8220;elder brother&#8221;, the &#8220;firstborn&#8221; is definitely special, but it doesn&#8217;t appear to be some sort of fundamental difference.</p>
<p></i><i>were we &#8220;organized&#8221; from some sort of &#8220;intelligence&#8221; or were we born? < /i><br />
Considering that we are talking about our spirits, I&#8217;m not sure those mutually exclusive.  But if what you&#8217;re asking is &#8220;is there a part of us (ie &#8220;intelligence&#8221;) that was not created by God?&#8221;  I think the answer is yes (see D&#038;C 93:29).</p>
<p>Your other questions seem to revolve around the question of how exactly the literal spiritual begetting works, and exactly to what extent our spiritual selves are created by God.  I don&#8217;t have the foggiest idea how it works, or what exactly the metaphysical composition of our spirits is, even enough to speculate, but I am certainly interested in people&#8217;s opinions on the subject.</i></p>
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		<title>By: Dave C.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave C.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Feb 2011 22:24:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave,
Does the church teach that we are the literal spiritual offspring of God?  Are we his literal spiritual offspring in the same sense that Jesus was his literal spirtual offspring?  What about the &quot;intelligence&quot; issue?  Were we &quot;organized&quot; from some sort of &quot;intelligence&quot; or were we born?  

As mortals we know that a child is the result of a union inheriting qualities from both parents.  In a &quot;perfect&quot; union between two &quot;perfect&quot; beings, would not their offspring be like them?

In a perfect union between two perfect beings, would one offspring be bright and the other a dullard?  Would one be handsome and the other ugly?  Would there be one be intelligent and another more intelligent than they all?

Are there spiritual birth defects?  Are some spirit children of God born without divine nature?  Is the eternal seed of the Gods unable to always produce a spirit child who has all the potential of his or her parents?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave,<br />
Does the church teach that we are the literal spiritual offspring of God?  Are we his literal spiritual offspring in the same sense that Jesus was his literal spirtual offspring?  What about the &#8220;intelligence&#8221; issue?  Were we &#8220;organized&#8221; from some sort of &#8220;intelligence&#8221; or were we born?  </p>
<p>As mortals we know that a child is the result of a union inheriting qualities from both parents.  In a &#8220;perfect&#8221; union between two &#8220;perfect&#8221; beings, would not their offspring be like them?</p>
<p>In a perfect union between two perfect beings, would one offspring be bright and the other a dullard?  Would one be handsome and the other ugly?  Would there be one be intelligent and another more intelligent than they all?</p>
<p>Are there spiritual birth defects?  Are some spirit children of God born without divine nature?  Is the eternal seed of the Gods unable to always produce a spirit child who has all the potential of his or her parents?</p>
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		<title>By: Karen Tabler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karen Tabler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 21:53:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The one and only son of God

Many challenges.  If Jesus is not God, he can redeem no man for it is written: 

Psalm 49:8-10 “A man can not at all redeem (release) a brother (from the righteous demands of the law); and give not to God a ransom (a sacrificial payment) for him- for the redemption of their soul (from the consequence of sin) is precious, and it (the unredeemed soul) ceases forever- for he (the redeemed man) shall yet live forever; not he shall see corruption (of the soul in the grave).”
This is the dilemma the early Christians faced.

Let’s go back to where it all began in the Garden of Eden.  Virtually God said to Adam and Eve via the judgment, “the wage of sin, is eternal death.”  The sin is identified as “disobedience” to God.  God then become the standard, His word then paramount.

With the Fall of Man comes the problem of how to obtain eternal life.  The thing to prevail over forth ward is the “eternal death sentence” for both saint and sinner.  Someone must pay the price for the Fall of Man, or there is no hope for eternal life.

The Israelites tried to deal with the daily sins of man by the Sacrifice which God declared to be an “iniquity”, placing the burden of guilt upon the priesthood.

(Quoted Out of Context) “To believe in the crucified one is to want no other victims of ritual killing.  To depend on the blood of Jesus is to refuse to depend on the sacrificial blood offerings of the Levitical priesthood.  It is to swear off scapegoats.  Sacred redemption promises offerings of future atonement within the priesthood in accordance to righteousness.”
“Seen from this perspective, the somewhat obscure actions of Christ make complete sense.  Jesus, in the role of a victorious Messiah defeated the opposing evil of the “iniquitous gift” by a direct battle.   God would never build a new world on “ritual murder”.  God found a way- once and for all- to turn to good what man had founded in evil.”
“Jesus steps into this double bind and overcome it.  No other than the Messiah could.  This task is appointed to him alone.  No ordinary victim could change the process, could uncover what was obscured in the constant practice of scapegoating.”
“To submit passively to the sacrificial mechanism would do nothing to change it.  That only smoothes the way for future victims and condemns them to invisibility.  Such is the dilemma, the malignant wisdom of an evil that we seem doomed to serve whichever way we turn.  Humanity is caught in this bondage, caught without even being able to name it directly.  We know not what we do.”
“Redemptive violence- was a means of overcoming eternal punishment for the sin, removing the pollution and punishing the transgression on the people that has brought disaster on the community.  The sin that the Messiah overcame was the offense of the scapegoat, for it was the sin of the one that jeopardized the many.”
“Only a Jew, representing the “guilt” of the nation of priests could undeniably vindicate many, by suffering this sacrifice, to reverse it.  The work of the cross is the work of a transcendent (awe-inspiring) God, breaking into a cycle we could not change alone.  It is a saving act of God, a victory over the powers of this world, a defeat of death.”

God hates the plunder in a burnt offering. 
 
The Lamb of God
Jesus is the Christ, yet a man born through the blood-line of David, a necessary requirement for the fulfillment of scripture.  Thusly, his humanity is established.  At most at this stage he could only be deemed half a God.  We are confronted with many sons of God but only ONE son of God.  The One son of God is the Mighty God,  manifesting the ucorruptible Word of God and His plan for Salvation.

Jesus set the way, as witnessed through the salvation of God, manifest in his ascension, thusly, becoming the way to truth and life walking in the way of righteousness, along the paths of justice.

JESUS TAUGHT  -  Matthew 9:13 “…’No need have those being strong of a healer, but those having (physical, spiritual, or moral) illness.  But learn what it is:  ‘I desire mercy, and not sacrifice;’ for not I (Jesus) came to call righteous (ones) but sinners to repentance.’”</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The one and only son of God</p>
<p>Many challenges.  If Jesus is not God, he can redeem no man for it is written: </p>
<p>Psalm 49:8-10 “A man can not at all redeem (release) a brother (from the righteous demands of the law); and give not to God a ransom (a sacrificial payment) for him- for the redemption of their soul (from the consequence of sin) is precious, and it (the unredeemed soul) ceases forever- for he (the redeemed man) shall yet live forever; not he shall see corruption (of the soul in the grave).”<br />
This is the dilemma the early Christians faced.</p>
<p>Let’s go back to where it all began in the Garden of Eden.  Virtually God said to Adam and Eve via the judgment, “the wage of sin, is eternal death.”  The sin is identified as “disobedience” to God.  God then become the standard, His word then paramount.</p>
<p>With the Fall of Man comes the problem of how to obtain eternal life.  The thing to prevail over forth ward is the “eternal death sentence” for both saint and sinner.  Someone must pay the price for the Fall of Man, or there is no hope for eternal life.</p>
<p>The Israelites tried to deal with the daily sins of man by the Sacrifice which God declared to be an “iniquity”, placing the burden of guilt upon the priesthood.</p>
<p>(Quoted Out of Context) “To believe in the crucified one is to want no other victims of ritual killing.  To depend on the blood of Jesus is to refuse to depend on the sacrificial blood offerings of the Levitical priesthood.  It is to swear off scapegoats.  Sacred redemption promises offerings of future atonement within the priesthood in accordance to righteousness.”<br />
“Seen from this perspective, the somewhat obscure actions of Christ make complete sense.  Jesus, in the role of a victorious Messiah defeated the opposing evil of the “iniquitous gift” by a direct battle.   God would never build a new world on “ritual murder”.  God found a way- once and for all- to turn to good what man had founded in evil.”<br />
“Jesus steps into this double bind and overcome it.  No other than the Messiah could.  This task is appointed to him alone.  No ordinary victim could change the process, could uncover what was obscured in the constant practice of scapegoating.”<br />
“To submit passively to the sacrificial mechanism would do nothing to change it.  That only smoothes the way for future victims and condemns them to invisibility.  Such is the dilemma, the malignant wisdom of an evil that we seem doomed to serve whichever way we turn.  Humanity is caught in this bondage, caught without even being able to name it directly.  We know not what we do.”<br />
“Redemptive violence- was a means of overcoming eternal punishment for the sin, removing the pollution and punishing the transgression on the people that has brought disaster on the community.  The sin that the Messiah overcame was the offense of the scapegoat, for it was the sin of the one that jeopardized the many.”<br />
“Only a Jew, representing the “guilt” of the nation of priests could undeniably vindicate many, by suffering this sacrifice, to reverse it.  The work of the cross is the work of a transcendent (awe-inspiring) God, breaking into a cycle we could not change alone.  It is a saving act of God, a victory over the powers of this world, a defeat of death.”</p>
<p>God hates the plunder in a burnt offering. </p>
<p>The Lamb of God<br />
Jesus is the Christ, yet a man born through the blood-line of David, a necessary requirement for the fulfillment of scripture.  Thusly, his humanity is established.  At most at this stage he could only be deemed half a God.  We are confronted with many sons of God but only ONE son of God.  The One son of God is the Mighty God,  manifesting the ucorruptible Word of God and His plan for Salvation.</p>
<p>Jesus set the way, as witnessed through the salvation of God, manifest in his ascension, thusly, becoming the way to truth and life walking in the way of righteousness, along the paths of justice.</p>
<p>JESUS TAUGHT  &#8211;  Matthew 9:13 “…’No need have those being strong of a healer, but those having (physical, spiritual, or moral) illness.  But learn what it is:  ‘I desire mercy, and not sacrifice;’ for not I (Jesus) came to call righteous (ones) but sinners to repentance.’”</p>
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		<title>By: A. Gordon</title>
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		<dc:creator>A. Gordon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 19:06:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very nice work. Thank you for your effort and research.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very nice work. Thank you for your effort and research.</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 18:55:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great article!  I always enjoy coming here and hearing other people&#039;s faith and testimonies.  As a recent father of two, getting used to the new experience of sibling dynamics, I&#039;ve often thought about the fact that, in a very real sense, we are all brothers and sisters.  This puts a very different perspective on &quot;loving the sinner and hating the sin.&quot;  All of our quarrels, fights, debates, wars, crusades, gossiping, spite, etc, amount to little more or less than sibling rivalry.  Even when Satan, the worst, most rebellious one ever, was cast out &quot;the heavens wept over him.&quot; (&lt;a href=&quot;http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/76/26#26&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Doctrine and Covenants 76:26&lt;/a&gt;)  We know God truly weeps when we suffer, and especially when we bring suffering upon ourselves or others, most notably through our sins.  (See &lt;a href=&quot;http://scriptures.lds.org/en/moses/7/28-37#28&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Moses 7:28-37&lt;/a&gt;)  If we really remembered who we are and &lt;i&gt;whose&lt;/i&gt; we are, perhaps it would help us &quot;love the Lord [our] God with all [our] heart&quot; and &quot;[our] neighbor as [ourselves]&quot;.  (&lt;a href=&quot;http://scriptures.lds.org/en/matt/22/37-40#37&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Matthew 22:37-40&lt;/a&gt;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great article!  I always enjoy coming here and hearing other people&#8217;s faith and testimonies.  As a recent father of two, getting used to the new experience of sibling dynamics, I&#8217;ve often thought about the fact that, in a very real sense, we are all brothers and sisters.  This puts a very different perspective on &#8220;loving the sinner and hating the sin.&#8221;  All of our quarrels, fights, debates, wars, crusades, gossiping, spite, etc, amount to little more or less than sibling rivalry.  Even when Satan, the worst, most rebellious one ever, was cast out &#8220;the heavens wept over him.&#8221; (<a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/76/26#26" rel="nofollow">Doctrine and Covenants 76:26</a>)  We know God truly weeps when we suffer, and especially when we bring suffering upon ourselves or others, most notably through our sins.  (See <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/moses/7/28-37#28" rel="nofollow">Moses 7:28-37</a>)  If we really remembered who we are and <i>whose</i> we are, perhaps it would help us &#8220;love the Lord [our] God with all [our] heart&#8221; and &#8220;[our] neighbor as [ourselves]&#8220;.  (<a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/matt/22/37-40#37" rel="nofollow">Matthew 22:37-40</a>)</p>
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