Comments on: Do Mormons Believe in the Trinity? http://www.whatdomormonsbelieve.com/2009/05/do-mormons-believe-in-the-trinity/ "We believe in being honest, true, chaste, benevolent, virtuous, and in doing good to all men." -Joseph Smith Fri, 03 Feb 2012 19:20:21 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: RC http://www.whatdomormonsbelieve.com/2009/05/do-mormons-believe-in-the-trinity/comment-page-1/#comment-1996 RC Fri, 21 Oct 2011 21:47:01 +0000 http://www.whatdomormonsbelieve.com/?p=1351#comment-1996 @Omnipotent, that is the reason why I stated that this was not my "opinion" and sent forth information from the NKJV of the bible. The point is contrary to what is expressed by your opinion. There was no attempt by me to define the infinite Almighty God or to say this is who GOD is defined as. God himself wants us to know Him and have a relationship with Him and stated who He is. That is the exact point of why He tells us who He is as demonstrated in the passages [noted at a minimum for example] of the Old Testament as well as the New Testament. As stated in Isaiah 55:8-9, His ways are higher than our ways. His thoughts are greater than our thoughts which is why His Word through the Son and the Holy Spirit of God have been revealed so that we might have this relationship. This is His WAY, His Truth and His Life. God Loves me and has revealed himself therfore I am blessed to be able to love Him as the Father, Son and Holy Spirit of God. Not the other way around. In the New Testament I would refer to you the following for additional insight. John 1:14   14 <a title="View more translations of John 1:14" href="http://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/John-1-14/" rel="nofollow">And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.</a> John:1:1-2    <a title="View more translations of John 1:1" href="http://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/John-1-1/" rel="nofollow">In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.</a> 2 <a title="View more translations of John 1:2" href="http://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/John-1-2/" rel="nofollow">The same was in the beginning with God.</a> God's Peace, Love and Spiritual Joy to all. In Jesus Christ our Lord, God and Savior. Amen @Omnipotent, that is the reason why I stated that this was not my “opinion” and sent forth information from the NKJV of the bible. The point is contrary to what is expressed by your opinion. There was no attempt by me to define the infinite Almighty God or to say this is who GOD is defined as. God himself wants us to know Him and have a relationship with Him and stated who He is. That is the exact point of why He tells us who He is as demonstrated in the passages [noted at a minimum for example] of the Old Testament as well as the New Testament. As stated in Isaiah 55:8-9, His ways are higher than our ways. His thoughts are greater than our thoughts which is why His Word through the Son and the Holy Spirit of God have been revealed so that we might have this relationship.

This is His WAY, His Truth and His Life.
God Loves me and has revealed himself therfore I am blessed to be able to love Him as the Father, Son and Holy Spirit of God. Not the other way around.

In the New Testament I would refer to you the following for additional insight.

John 1:14   14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

John:1:1-2    In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.

God’s Peace, Love and Spiritual Joy to all.
In Jesus Christ our Lord, God and Savior.
Amen

]]> By: mandi http://www.whatdomormonsbelieve.com/2009/05/do-mormons-believe-in-the-trinity/comment-page-1/#comment-1985 mandi Fri, 14 Oct 2011 22:00:19 +0000 http://www.whatdomormonsbelieve.com/?p=1351#comment-1985 Omnipotent One, I would have to disagree with the statement, "So whatever you believe, if that's what makes you happy, go with it..." The Bible has clear truths laid out for us. If we say believe whatever makes us happy, we will believe that all mankind will go to heaven. But the Bible clearly states that whoever does not accept Christ as Savior will go to hell. John 3:18, 36 rev. 20:14, Romans 6:23...Jesus said I am the way the TRUTH and the Life no man cometh unto the Father but by me- John14:6. If we have no the truth the father is not in us. This is talked about in I John. 2: 21-25. <strong>Back to the Trinity/ Godhead</strong>, Concerning the godhead or trinity. According to a Mormon missionary I talked to, there are three separate gods- the Father, the Son (Jesus Christ), and the Holy Spirit. separate in deity but one in purpose. However, when studying the Bible I found many verses that would say other wise. Isaiah 43: 10 -Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: <strong>before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.</strong> Isaiah 44:6 - Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God. Isaiah 44:8 - Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any.  You will see this message repeated throughout Isaiah 45 as well. I John 5:7 - For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. Heb 1: 8 - But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. If Jesus is separate from God the Father, then how God can refer to Him as God? Because the other verses clearly state that there is one God. Not many. Even the Book Of Mormon says in Alma 11: 26 - 29 that there is "One true and living God." Again in Alma 11:38-39 saya that Jesus is the "very eternal Father" verse 44 of the same chapter says " Christ the Son,and God the Father, and the Holy Spirit, which is one Eternal Father."   Omnipotent One,
I would have to disagree with the statement, “So whatever you believe, if that’s what makes you happy, go with it…” The Bible has clear truths laid out for us. If we say believe whatever makes us happy, we will believe that all mankind will go to heaven. But the Bible clearly states that whoever does not accept Christ as Savior will go to hell. John 3:18, 36 rev. 20:14, Romans 6:23…Jesus said I am the way the TRUTH and the Life no man cometh unto the Father but by me- John14:6. If we have no the truth the father is not in us. This is talked about in I John. 2: 21-25.
Back to the Trinity/ Godhead,
Concerning the godhead or trinity. According to a Mormon missionary I talked to, there are three separate gods- the Father, the Son (Jesus Christ), and the Holy Spirit. separate in deity but one in purpose. However, when studying the Bible I found many verses that would say other wise.
Isaiah 43: 10 -Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.
Isaiah 44:6 – Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.
Isaiah 44:8 – Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any. 
You will see this message repeated throughout Isaiah 45 as well.
I John 5:7 – For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
Heb 1: 8 – But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
If Jesus is separate from God the Father, then how God can refer to Him as God? Because the other verses clearly state that there is one God. Not many.
Even the Book Of Mormon says in Alma 11: 26 – 29 that there is “One true and living God.”
Again in Alma 11:38-39 saya that Jesus is the “very eternal Father”
verse 44 of the same chapter says ” Christ the Son,and God the Father, and the Holy Spirit, which is one Eternal Father.”
 

]]> By: Omnipotent One http://www.whatdomormonsbelieve.com/2009/05/do-mormons-believe-in-the-trinity/comment-page-1/#comment-1976 Omnipotent One Tue, 11 Oct 2011 18:09:51 +0000 http://www.whatdomormonsbelieve.com/?p=1351#comment-1976 I believe it is not only egotistical, but futile for us to try and define God to fit our limited minds.  We do not have the capacity to comprehend the wonders of the universe or its Creator.  That's why we call it a faith.  So whatever you believe, if that's what makes you happy, go with it and don't worry about what someone else believes. I believe it is not only egotistical, but futile for us to try and define God to fit our limited minds.  We do not have the capacity to comprehend the wonders of the universe or its Creator.  That’s why we call it a faith.  So whatever you believe, if that’s what makes you happy, go with it and don’t worry about what someone else believes.

]]> By: RC http://www.whatdomormonsbelieve.com/2009/05/do-mormons-believe-in-the-trinity/comment-page-1/#comment-1974 RC Mon, 10 Oct 2011 22:55:08 +0000 http://www.whatdomormonsbelieve.com/?p=1351#comment-1974 Very interesting reading. I hvae been led here by the Holy Spirit of God. I would like to say initially that I am not posting to convert anyone or to say this is how good MY OPINION is. I am only relaying information as it is found in the NKJV of the bible. I ask that others read this, pray and ask for knowledge, wisdom, understanding and humility. With much contemplation, the best explanation that has helped me understand [within my human limitations] is the following analogy.  Snow, Ice and Fog are all Separate forms of the ONE; namely Water. Yet, all three can exist at the same time and have separate identities but in true real terms are but ONE with each performing their own common work according to the distinct personal property of which it is made. The other interesting point is that I see no reference to the Old testament.  God clearly does speak and say who He is in the Old testament as well as the New. Isaiah 9:6      <a title="View more translations of Isaiah 9:6" href="http://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Isaiah-9-6/" rel="nofollow">For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.</a> Isaiah 42:8   <a title="View more translations of Isaiah 42:8" href="http://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Isaiah-42-8/" rel="nofollow">I [am] the LORD: that [is] my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.</a> Isaiah 43:3    <a title="View more translations of Isaiah 43:3" href="http://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Isaiah-43-3/" rel="nofollow">For I [am] the LORD thy God, the Holy One of Israel, thy Saviour: I gave Egypt [for] thy ransom, Ethiopia and Seba for thee.</a> Very interesting reading. I hvae been led here by the Holy Spirit of God.
I would like to say initially that I am not posting to convert anyone or
to say this is how good MY OPINION is. I am only relaying information as it is found in the NKJV of the bible. I ask that others read this, pray and ask for knowledge, wisdom, understanding and humility.

With much contemplation, the best explanation that has helped me understand [within my human limitations] is the following analogy.  Snow, Ice and Fog are all Separate forms of the ONE; namely Water. Yet, all three can exist at the same time and have separate identities but in true real terms are but ONE with each performing their own common work according to the distinct personal property of which it is made.

The other interesting point is that I see no reference to the Old testament.  God clearly does speak and say who He is in the Old testament as well as the New.

Isaiah 9:6      For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Isaiah 42:8   I [am] the LORD: that [is] my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.

Isaiah 43:3    For I [am] the LORD thy God, the Holy One of Israel, thy Saviour: I gave Egypt [for] thy ransom, Ethiopia and Seba for thee.

]]> By: Kym http://www.whatdomormonsbelieve.com/2009/05/do-mormons-believe-in-the-trinity/comment-page-1/#comment-1957 Kym Tue, 27 Sep 2011 03:53:53 +0000 http://www.whatdomormonsbelieve.com/?p=1351#comment-1957 Mandi, Here is what I found in the bible dictionary (an LDS study help) concerning what we believe:  "God: The supreme Governor of the universe and the Father of mankind. We learn from the revelations that have been given that there are three separate persons in the Godhead: the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost. From latter-day revelation we learn that the Father and the Son have tangible bodies of flesh and bone, and that the Holy Ghost is a personage of spirit without flesh and bone (D&C 130:22–23). When one speaks of God, it is generally the Father who is referred to; that is, Elohim. All mankind are his children. The personage known as Jehovah in Old Testament times, and who is usually identified in the Old Testament asLord (in capital letters), is the Son, known as Jesus Christ, and who is also a God. Jesus works under the direction of the Father and is in complete harmony with him. All mankind are his brethren and sisters, he being the eldest of the spirit children of Elohim. Many of the things that the scripture says were done by God were actually done by theLord (Jesus). Thus the scripture says that “God created the heaven and the earth” (Gen. 1:1), but we know that it was actually the Lord (Jesus) who was the creator (John 1:3, 10), or as Paul said, God created all things by Christ Jesus (Eph. 3:9). The Holy Ghost is also a God and is variously called the Holy Spirit, the Spirit, the Spirit of God, etc." I hope this answers your questions about what we believe!  Mandi,

Here is what I found in the bible dictionary (an LDS study help) concerning what we believe: 

“God: The supreme Governor of the universe and the Father of mankind. We learn from the revelations that have been given that there are three separate persons in the Godhead: the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost. From latter-day revelation we learn that the Father and the Son have tangible bodies of flesh and bone, and that the Holy Ghost is a personage of spirit without flesh and bone (D&C 130:22–23).
When one speaks of God, it is generally the Father who is referred to; that is, Elohim. All mankind are his children. The personage known as Jehovah in Old Testament times, and who is usually identified in the Old Testament asLord (in capital letters), is the Son, known as Jesus Christ, and who is also a God. Jesus works under the direction of the Father and is in complete harmony with him. All mankind are his brethren and sisters, he being the eldest of the spirit children of Elohim. Many of the things that the scripture says were done by God were actually done by theLord (Jesus). Thus the scripture says that “God created the heaven and the earth” (Gen. 1:1), but we know that it was actually the Lord (Jesus) who was the creator (John 1:3, 10), or as Paul said, God created all things by Christ Jesus (Eph. 3:9). The Holy Ghost is also a God and is variously called the Holy Spirit, the Spirit, the Spirit of God, etc.”

I hope this answers your questions about what we believe! 

]]> By: Siobhan Maeve http://www.whatdomormonsbelieve.com/2009/05/do-mormons-believe-in-the-trinity/comment-page-1/#comment-1955 Siobhan Maeve Sun, 25 Sep 2011 19:32:12 +0000 http://www.whatdomormonsbelieve.com/?p=1351#comment-1955 Christ said he who sees me, sees the Father.  He also said to the pharisees, "I and my father are one and the same"  A Clear way to see the triune God is the father and the son( begotton, not made). and the Holy spirit being the self donating love between the father and the son.  God is a triune God, not three separate entities. Christ said he who sees me, sees the Father.  He also said to the pharisees, “I and my father are one and the same”  A Clear way to see the triune God is the father and the son( begotton, not made). and the Holy spirit being the self donating love between the father and the son.  God is a triune God, not three separate entities.

]]> By: mandi http://www.whatdomormonsbelieve.com/2009/05/do-mormons-believe-in-the-trinity/comment-page-1/#comment-1922 mandi Sat, 10 Sep 2011 21:54:56 +0000 http://www.whatdomormonsbelieve.com/?p=1351#comment-1922 So, I am confused. Does LDS believe in the Father as a God, and Jesus as a God, and The Holy Spirit as a God? Or are They One God? In Three physical Persons. I understand one in purpose, because even if they were One God not Many gods they would still be one in purpose. I just want to know if LDS believes in One God or Many gods. Thank you so Much! So, I am confused. Does LDS believe in the Father as a God, and Jesus as a God, and The Holy Spirit as a God? Or are They One God? In Three physical Persons. I understand one in purpose, because even if they were One God not Many gods they would still be one in purpose. I just want to know if LDS believes in One God or Many gods. Thank you so Much!

]]> By: cindy http://www.whatdomormonsbelieve.com/2009/05/do-mormons-believe-in-the-trinity/comment-page-1/#comment-1870 cindy Tue, 16 Aug 2011 03:44:48 +0000 http://www.whatdomormonsbelieve.com/?p=1351#comment-1870 I don't think we will ever know God fully until we are living with Him for eternity, but until then I'll just read His word and allow His Spirit to help me try to make sense of it. I don’t think we will ever know God fully until we are living with Him for eternity, but until then I’ll just read His word and allow His Spirit to help me try to make sense of it.

]]> By: Steve http://www.whatdomormonsbelieve.com/2009/05/do-mormons-believe-in-the-trinity/comment-page-1/#comment-1869 Steve Tue, 16 Aug 2011 03:38:05 +0000 http://www.whatdomormonsbelieve.com/?p=1351#comment-1869 Joe, I don't believe that either. I think you'd find out a lot about God that you would intuitively agree with if you'd give yourself a chance to keep looking. Joe,
I don’t believe that either. I think you’d find out a lot about God that you would intuitively agree with if you’d give yourself a chance to keep looking.

]]> By: Joe http://www.whatdomormonsbelieve.com/2009/05/do-mormons-believe-in-the-trinity/comment-page-1/#comment-1868 Joe Tue, 16 Aug 2011 03:08:26 +0000 http://www.whatdomormonsbelieve.com/?p=1351#comment-1868 I know the definition (I went to Catholic school) of the trinity.  I just find it kinda silly & made up.  It took almost 500 to "figure it out" over the dead bodies of millions of people.  I still say the Jewish/Muslim definition of God as one & indivisible makes the most sense (not that I believe .  Would you say those who don't believe the trinity (the Jews & Muslims for example) will go to hell?  Ths is what the nuns said in Catholic school & I found it so cruel, unbelievable & callous that it destroyed any chance I had to believe in such a Hitler-God. I know the definition (I went to Catholic school) of the trinity.  I just find it kinda silly & made up.  It took almost 500 to “figure it out” over the dead bodies of millions of people.  I still say the Jewish/Muslim definition of God as one & indivisible makes the most sense (not that I believe . 

Would you say those who don’t believe the trinity (the Jews & Muslims for example) will go to hell?  Ths is what the nuns said in Catholic school & I found it so cruel, unbelievable & callous that it destroyed any chance I had to believe in such a Hitler-God.

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