Comments on: The Holy Garment http://www.whatdomormonsbelieve.com/2009/03/the-holy-garment/ "We believe in being honest, true, chaste, benevolent, virtuous, and in doing good to all men." -Joseph Smith Fri, 03 Feb 2012 19:20:21 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: baseemah http://www.whatdomormonsbelieve.com/2009/03/the-holy-garment/comment-page-1/#comment-2015 baseemah Mon, 31 Oct 2011 19:00:19 +0000 http://www.whatdomormonsbelieve.com/?p=706#comment-2015 Hello Thadeus, I had never heard of holy garments until my roommate happened to bring it up yesterday. I was curious about it so i googled "mormons holy garment." Your blog was near the top of the search, so here I am :) Something I have felt very confused about is what goes on in the temple exactly. I spent part of the summer in Salt Lake and talked with many mormon sisters and mormon guys. I also went to the temple square for tours, etc. But they would never tell us what actually happens or what the temple actually is. It's very confusing, and I feel like if more people understood this they would want to become Mormon if there wasn't this secrecy. Please let me know your thoughts.  Hello Thadeus,

I had never heard of holy garments until my roommate happened to bring it up yesterday. I was curious about it so i googled “mormons holy garment.” Your blog was near the top of the search, so here I am :)

Something I have felt very confused about is what goes on in the temple exactly. I spent part of the summer in Salt Lake and talked with many mormon sisters and mormon guys. I also went to the temple square for tours, etc. But they would never tell us what actually happens or what the temple actually is. It’s very confusing, and I feel like if more people understood this they would want to become Mormon if there wasn’t this secrecy.

Please let me know your thoughts. 

]]> By: James http://www.whatdomormonsbelieve.com/2009/03/the-holy-garment/comment-page-1/#comment-1834 James Fri, 05 Aug 2011 06:27:21 +0000 http://www.whatdomormonsbelieve.com/?p=706#comment-1834 Friends, I have to agree with the previous post that this blog rocks. The article was well written and the comments have been great too. I'm happy to have find you guys and I plan on reading often! Friends,
I have to agree with the previous post that this blog rocks. The article was well written and the comments have been great too. I’m happy to have find you guys and I plan on reading often!

]]> By: Kassie http://www.whatdomormonsbelieve.com/2009/03/the-holy-garment/comment-page-1/#comment-1495 Kassie Fri, 22 Apr 2011 16:23:34 +0000 http://www.whatdomormonsbelieve.com/?p=706#comment-1495 I have never understood all this fasicination with temple garments by people outside the Church! Why is it such a big deal to people? With the advent of the internet ex-mormons have paraded temple garments around with photographs and everything else about the temple ceremonies. I understand that people by nature are "curious" of things they do not understand. Yes, I wear temple garments. Yes, I have worn them for 22 years since the day I was married in the Washington D.C. temple. Yes, I believe they are sacred, but it is not the garment itself that is so sacred, as the symbolism associated with them. Do I believe they "protect me" like a superstitious person holds a "rabbit foot" or "talisman?" No, I do not. Though there are certainly stories where people have believed the garments have protected them in times of war, or accident, or tragedy. I have never experienced those things (thankfully!) but my garments remind me EVERY SINGLE DAY of the covenants I made in the temple that day, and the covenants I make every time I go to the temple. My children know these garments are "special" and "sacred" and that it is a benefit of temple marriage and a blessing. Are they curious? not really, because they have grown up with them around in the wash, etc. But I don't walk around the house in my garments,nor flaunt them. We Mormons get so uptight when people ask us about garments. I think we need to realize we don't need to get all bent out of shape and just explain them the way I have. (<strong>and btw I just found your site today and I love it! Excellent way of discussing doctrine, you are right on and your knowledge of the gospel is pretty amazing! keep up the great work!)</strong> I have never understood all this fasicination with temple garments by people outside the Church! Why is it such a big deal to people? With the advent of the internet ex-mormons have paraded temple garments around with photographs and everything else about the temple ceremonies. I understand that people by nature are “curious” of things they do not understand. Yes, I wear temple garments. Yes, I have worn them for 22 years since the day I was married in the Washington D.C. temple. Yes, I believe they are sacred, but it is not the garment itself that is so sacred, as the symbolism associated with them. Do I believe they “protect me” like a superstitious person holds a “rabbit foot” or “talisman?” No, I do not. Though there are certainly stories where people have believed the garments have protected them in times of war, or accident, or tragedy. I have never experienced those things (thankfully!) but my garments remind me EVERY SINGLE DAY of the covenants I made in the temple that day, and the covenants I make every time I go to the temple. My children know these garments are “special” and “sacred” and that it is a benefit of temple marriage and a blessing. Are they curious? not really, because they have grown up with them around in the wash, etc. But I don’t walk around the house in my garments,nor flaunt them. We Mormons get so uptight when people ask us about garments. I think we need to realize we don’t need to get all bent out of shape and just explain them the way I have. (and btw I just found your site today and I love it! Excellent way of discussing doctrine, you are right on and your knowledge of the gospel is pretty amazing! keep up the great work!)

]]> By: Thaddeus http://www.whatdomormonsbelieve.com/2009/03/the-holy-garment/comment-page-1/#comment-633 Thaddeus Thu, 06 Aug 2009 21:35:23 +0000 http://www.whatdomormonsbelieve.com/?p=706#comment-633 Come again? Come again?

]]> By: Brock Landers http://www.whatdomormonsbelieve.com/2009/03/the-holy-garment/comment-page-1/#comment-631 Brock Landers Thu, 06 Aug 2009 05:43:29 +0000 http://www.whatdomormonsbelieve.com/?p=706#comment-631 What is frequently misunderstood is the ontological fallacy inherently manifested in such garments. These 'holy' garments are merely reflections of the corporate machine, whereas the sin is born unto the sinner as their smite upon God is only recognized posthumously. What is frequently misunderstood is the ontological fallacy inherently manifested in such garments. These ‘holy’ garments are merely reflections of the corporate machine, whereas the sin is born unto the sinner as their smite upon God is only recognized posthumously.

]]> By: Thaddeus http://www.whatdomormonsbelieve.com/2009/03/the-holy-garment/comment-page-1/#comment-622 Thaddeus Mon, 27 Jul 2009 17:33:31 +0000 http://www.whatdomormonsbelieve.com/?p=706#comment-622 Brian, our religion is not a side-show to be mocked and jeered at; it is integral to our identity and purpose. You have made it clear that you don't believe it, and we are willing to respect that, if you will leave it at that. Please don't be rude. Read our comment policy. Brian, our religion is not a side-show to be mocked and jeered at; it is integral to our identity and purpose. You have made it clear that you don’t believe it, and we are willing to respect that, if you will leave it at that. Please don’t be rude. Read our comment policy.

]]> By: Brian http://www.whatdomormonsbelieve.com/2009/03/the-holy-garment/comment-page-1/#comment-621 Brian Mon, 27 Jul 2009 16:20:24 +0000 http://www.whatdomormonsbelieve.com/?p=706#comment-621 God gave us a brain and he expects us to use it. I think we have gone full circle on this one (as seems always to be the case with Mormons.) It's a lot like talking to telephone solicitors - there seems to be a universal script of so many things that can be said. God gave us a brain and he expects us to use it. I think we have gone full circle on this one (as seems always to be the case with Mormons.) It’s a lot like talking to telephone solicitors – there seems to be a universal script of so many things that can be said.

]]> By: Ben http://www.whatdomormonsbelieve.com/2009/03/the-holy-garment/comment-page-1/#comment-620 Ben Mon, 27 Jul 2009 03:19:40 +0000 http://www.whatdomormonsbelieve.com/?p=706#comment-620 Brian, I am sorry that you are upset and that you have seen people become upset, feel shunned, etc for deciding to no longer be a part of the LDS Church. I can see that this is a very tender subject for you, as is evident from the tone of your writing. I appreciate your concern for us and that you pray for us. Who is to say that Mormonism is a crock though Brian? Obviously, those that feel disillusioned for one reason or another have their opinions, but that doesn't mean that we feel the same. Mormonism, for me, is like looking through a telescope and a microscope simultanesouly, I can see afar off and yet I can still go deeper and deeper. Mormonism, for me, completely answers life's most fundamental questions and gives me the freedom to act according to God's commandments. It saddens me that there are those who feel that they have been maligned, who feel that friends they have in the Church have turned their back on them. I don't have an answer for you on how to fix it, other than to say that we could all develop a little more love for each other in our lives, kind words spoken and a smile go a lot farther than we sometimes think. Please realize that we, as contributors to this website, are doing our best to love all of God's children, regardless of what path they choose in this life, or what they might say about us. I hope that you would respect that. Brian,

I am sorry that you are upset and that you have seen people become upset, feel shunned, etc for deciding to no longer be a part of the LDS Church. I can see that this is a very tender subject for you, as is evident from the tone of your writing.

I appreciate your concern for us and that you pray for us. Who is to say that Mormonism is a crock though Brian? Obviously, those that feel disillusioned for one reason or another have their opinions, but that doesn’t mean that we feel the same. Mormonism, for me, is like looking through a telescope and a microscope simultanesouly, I can see afar off and yet I can still go deeper and deeper. Mormonism, for me, completely answers life’s most fundamental questions and gives me the freedom to act according to God’s commandments.

It saddens me that there are those who feel that they have been maligned, who feel that friends they have in the Church have turned their back on them. I don’t have an answer for you on how to fix it, other than to say that we could all develop a little more love for each other in our lives, kind words spoken and a smile go a lot farther than we sometimes think. Please realize that we, as contributors to this website, are doing our best to love all of God’s children, regardless of what path they choose in this life, or what they might say about us. I hope that you would respect that.

]]> By: Brian http://www.whatdomormonsbelieve.com/2009/03/the-holy-garment/comment-page-1/#comment-619 Brian Mon, 27 Jul 2009 00:22:25 +0000 http://www.whatdomormonsbelieve.com/?p=706#comment-619 Bus Gillespie, There's that word again. What makes you think I am anti Mormon? People leave churches for many reasons and some of them are definitely bitter. The ex-mormons (of which I am not one) feel betrayed and need to vent in some cases but also want share their pain with others who also feel the hurt. In answer to your questions about why Mormon's need to justify their stance: -Probably because of the way the Mormon community turns their back on them and accuse them of sin or worse or being disaffected. (And later label them anti-Mormon). - Possibly because they have been duped for so long and they are pissed as I would be and they want to share so others don't have to go through it. -Perhaps they need to vent to get over the betrayal - it's therapeutic. -Last I checked the Catholic church was still teaching the correct gospel despite all their added man-made rules. I would imagine that people who have been abused by a priest, though, may have a lot of venting to do and might become very vocal against the church. Can you blame them? Disaffected, anti Mormon, anything derogatory so you don't have to answer to the real issue. There is a huge movement of people who are telling the world what a crock Mormonism is. No, that's not anti Mormon that's the truth. I pray for people like you daily. Bus Gillespie,

There’s that word again. What makes you think I am anti Mormon? People leave churches for many reasons and some of them are definitely bitter. The ex-mormons (of which I am not one) feel betrayed and need to vent in some cases but also want share their pain with others who also feel the hurt.

In answer to your questions about why Mormon’s need to justify their stance:

-Probably because of the way the Mormon community turns their back on them and accuse them of sin or worse or being disaffected. (And later label them anti-Mormon).

- Possibly because they have been duped for so long and they are pissed as I would be and they want to share so others don’t have to go through it.

-Perhaps they need to vent to get over the betrayal – it’s therapeutic.

-Last I checked the Catholic church was still teaching the correct gospel despite all their added man-made rules.

I would imagine that people who have been abused by a priest, though, may have a lot of venting to do and might become very vocal against the church. Can you blame them?

Disaffected, anti Mormon, anything derogatory so you don’t have to answer to the real issue. There is a huge movement of people who are telling the world what a crock Mormonism is. No, that’s not anti Mormon that’s the truth. I pray for people like you daily.

]]> By: Bus Gillespie http://www.whatdomormonsbelieve.com/2009/03/the-holy-garment/comment-page-1/#comment-618 Bus Gillespie Sun, 26 Jul 2009 20:13:11 +0000 http://www.whatdomormonsbelieve.com/?p=706#comment-618 The sad fact is Brian, that many EX-Mormons become the most anti-Mormon. From Thomas Marsh during the Kirtland period to folks like you. I don't hear such emnity from people who have left other religions. Disaffected Catholics just seem to move on but disaffected Mormon's seem to feel the need to justify their stance by attacking the Mormon religion. Why is that? The sad fact is Brian, that many EX-Mormons become the most anti-Mormon. From Thomas Marsh during the Kirtland period to folks like you. I don’t hear such emnity from people who have left other religions. Disaffected Catholics just seem to move on but disaffected Mormon’s seem to feel the need to justify their stance by attacking the Mormon religion. Why is that?

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