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	<title>Comments on: Blacks, Mormons, Priesthood, Racism, Answers</title>
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		<title>By: Rich</title>
		<link>http://www.whatdomormonsbelieve.com/2009/02/blacks-mormons-priesthood-racism-answers/comment-page-1/#comment-1527</link>
		<dc:creator>Rich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Apr 2011 19:59:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are truths to what you are trying to dismiss in the quoted writings and they did cause confusion (most things by man do) but I&#039;m not going to argue that with you.

I believe that &quot;I am the Lord, I change not&quot;. The issue I have is that there always seem to be many excuses justifying why we don&#039;t know the Lord&#039;s heart is in the first place and then receive &quot;revelation&quot; to make the change to what we now accept as correct. Correct is correct whether it be now, later, before.....&quot;I change not&quot;. 
I wouldn&#039;t join anything, nor would most people, that treats me as lesser than others in God&#039;s eye&#039;s. If we are all accepted by God as equals with each other then I would suggest that the original &quot;revelation&quot; would have been explicit enough to share God&#039;s heart in that and African American men would not have been excluded. I contend that &quot;man&quot; chose that to be the way it was, as in slave days, and there was no &quot;revelation&quot; needed, just understanding of God and his purpose. I think this would lend itself to wanting to join for other reasons (pressure, fear, needing to belong, whatever). There were other organizations joined as well so maybe being part of something instead of being persecuted? Joining can&#039;t be used as a validation for only your organization. People join gangs to feel part of something, even if they aren&#039;t going to be the top dog so that&#039;s not a great argument.

As in the LDS church, the world in general including us &quot;born-agains&quot; (as my LDS friend calls us:) have come into &quot;understanding&quot; of certain things as we move along this life and press into God and learn more about him and his character, both collectively and individually. What is interesting is that it isn&#039;t really &quot;divine&quot; revelation in many of these instances just common sense and understanding of God. I dislike the fact that it is sold as one man getting &quot;divine revelation&quot;. 

We ALL are guilty of misunderstanding things (at different points in our life) or even purposely doing what we thought was right due to politics, selfishness or whatever (as in slavery or not allowing them to hold the priesthood) and it took us &lt;em&gt;understanding &lt;/em&gt;(revelation of) God&#039;s grace and forgiveness through the Savior that brought us the change (as it is in the Bible already on how to treat people), not one man&#039;s &quot;divine revelation&quot; unless he/they needed it due to not &quot;getting it&quot; from the Word (Bible and that was here in flesh) and leading of the Holy Spirit.

The whole thing is unfortunate but men have been failing miserably for centuries which is why we need a Savior. We, however, have the choice to accept, study and &quot;press on toward the mark&quot; as it says in Philippians.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are truths to what you are trying to dismiss in the quoted writings and they did cause confusion (most things by man do) but I&#8217;m not going to argue that with you.</p>
<p>I believe that &#8220;I am the Lord, I change not&#8221;. The issue I have is that there always seem to be many excuses justifying why we don&#8217;t know the Lord&#8217;s heart is in the first place and then receive &#8220;revelation&#8221; to make the change to what we now accept as correct. Correct is correct whether it be now, later, before&#8230;..&#8221;I change not&#8221;.<br />
I wouldn&#8217;t join anything, nor would most people, that treats me as lesser than others in God&#8217;s eye&#8217;s. If we are all accepted by God as equals with each other then I would suggest that the original &#8220;revelation&#8221; would have been explicit enough to share God&#8217;s heart in that and African American men would not have been excluded. I contend that &#8220;man&#8221; chose that to be the way it was, as in slave days, and there was no &#8220;revelation&#8221; needed, just understanding of God and his purpose. I think this would lend itself to wanting to join for other reasons (pressure, fear, needing to belong, whatever). There were other organizations joined as well so maybe being part of something instead of being persecuted? Joining can&#8217;t be used as a validation for only your organization. People join gangs to feel part of something, even if they aren&#8217;t going to be the top dog so that&#8217;s not a great argument.</p>
<p>As in the LDS church, the world in general including us &#8220;born-agains&#8221; (as my LDS friend calls us:) have come into &#8220;understanding&#8221; of certain things as we move along this life and press into God and learn more about him and his character, both collectively and individually. What is interesting is that it isn&#8217;t really &#8220;divine&#8221; revelation in many of these instances just common sense and understanding of God. I dislike the fact that it is sold as one man getting &#8220;divine revelation&#8221;. </p>
<p>We ALL are guilty of misunderstanding things (at different points in our life) or even purposely doing what we thought was right due to politics, selfishness or whatever (as in slavery or not allowing them to hold the priesthood) and it took us <em>understanding </em>(revelation of) God&#8217;s grace and forgiveness through the Savior that brought us the change (as it is in the Bible already on how to treat people), not one man&#8217;s &#8220;divine revelation&#8221; unless he/they needed it due to not &#8220;getting it&#8221; from the Word (Bible and that was here in flesh) and leading of the Holy Spirit.</p>
<p>The whole thing is unfortunate but men have been failing miserably for centuries which is why we need a Savior. We, however, have the choice to accept, study and &#8220;press on toward the mark&#8221; as it says in Philippians.</p>
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		<title>By: Kassie</title>
		<link>http://www.whatdomormonsbelieve.com/2009/02/blacks-mormons-priesthood-racism-answers/comment-page-1/#comment-1519</link>
		<dc:creator>Kassie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Apr 2011 23:08:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Boy this is a touchy issue. I know this, no one was more relieved than the average LDS person when President Spencer W. Kimball received the revelation that blacks could hold the priesthood in 1978. It was an embarrassing doctrine, one we do not understand. We cannot deny the history of the Church. We don&#039;t know why President Young said the things he did. We don&#039;t even know who he was referring to really. We have to place the doctrine in the context of the times also. Blacks were always welcome in the Church-the men just couldn&#039;t hold the priesthood. Many black members did convert however before 1978 knowing full well they could not hold the priesthood. Why would they have done that? Because they were convicted of the Holy Ghost that they knew the Church was true. How sure must they have been to join a Church many considered racist and prejudiced then? Very sure I would say. Very sure. They waited and waited and waited praying all the time that God would answer their prayers so they could hold the priesthood. And their prayers were answered. The Prophet Spencer Kimball said there were &quot;tears of joy&quot; among the members of the First Presidency that day, and thankfulness. The leaders of the modern Church didn&#039;t like it anymore than the rest of us. But it does not invalidate the truthfulness of the Gospel. Sometimes we just don&#039;t get to know why Heavenly Father does the things he does. We have to trust in Him that all will be made right. My opinion anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Boy this is a touchy issue. I know this, no one was more relieved than the average LDS person when President Spencer W. Kimball received the revelation that blacks could hold the priesthood in 1978. It was an embarrassing doctrine, one we do not understand. We cannot deny the history of the Church. We don&#8217;t know why President Young said the things he did. We don&#8217;t even know who he was referring to really. We have to place the doctrine in the context of the times also. Blacks were always welcome in the Church-the men just couldn&#8217;t hold the priesthood. Many black members did convert however before 1978 knowing full well they could not hold the priesthood. Why would they have done that? Because they were convicted of the Holy Ghost that they knew the Church was true. How sure must they have been to join a Church many considered racist and prejudiced then? Very sure I would say. Very sure. They waited and waited and waited praying all the time that God would answer their prayers so they could hold the priesthood. And their prayers were answered. The Prophet Spencer Kimball said there were &#8220;tears of joy&#8221; among the members of the First Presidency that day, and thankfulness. The leaders of the modern Church didn&#8217;t like it anymore than the rest of us. But it does not invalidate the truthfulness of the Gospel. Sometimes we just don&#8217;t get to know why Heavenly Father does the things he does. We have to trust in Him that all will be made right. My opinion anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://www.whatdomormonsbelieve.com/2009/02/blacks-mormons-priesthood-racism-answers/comment-page-1/#comment-1003</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jun 2010 00:43:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is a great article you linked to Thaddeus.  Thanks for sharing it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is a great article you linked to Thaddeus.  Thanks for sharing it.</p>
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		<title>By: Thaddeus</title>
		<link>http://www.whatdomormonsbelieve.com/2009/02/blacks-mormons-priesthood-racism-answers/comment-page-1/#comment-1002</link>
		<dc:creator>Thaddeus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jun 2010 23:41:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This quote is taken out of its historical context.  President Young was talking specifically about white male land-owners raping female slaves.  See &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.fairmormon.org/Mormonism_and_racial_issues/Brigham_Young/Race_mixing_punishable_by_death&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the article&lt;/a&gt; on FAIR&#039;s wiki page that addresses it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This quote is taken out of its historical context.  President Young was talking specifically about white male land-owners raping female slaves.  See <a href="http://en.fairmormon.org/Mormonism_and_racial_issues/Brigham_Young/Race_mixing_punishable_by_death" rel="nofollow">the article</a> on FAIR&#8217;s wiki page that addresses it.</p>
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		<title>By: Just some other guy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Just some other guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jun 2010 21:55:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why didn&#039;t you address the quote from brigham?  This seems to be absolute......

And from brother Brigham:

“Shall I tell you the law of God in regard to the African race? If the white man who belongs to the chosen seed mixes his blood with the seed of Cain, the penalty, under the law of God, is death on the spot. This will always be so.” (Journal of Discourses, Vol.10, p.109)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why didn&#8217;t you address the quote from brigham?  This seems to be absolute&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>And from brother Brigham:</p>
<p>“Shall I tell you the law of God in regard to the African race? If the white man who belongs to the chosen seed mixes his blood with the seed of Cain, the penalty, under the law of God, is death on the spot. This will always be so.” (Journal of Discourses, Vol.10, p.109)</p>
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		<title>By: Thaddeus</title>
		<link>http://www.whatdomormonsbelieve.com/2009/02/blacks-mormons-priesthood-racism-answers/comment-page-1/#comment-756</link>
		<dc:creator>Thaddeus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 02:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Please don&#039;t quote the Book of Mormon out of context.  Many of those versus are not even talking about skin pigment, and none refer to black African skin (since the Book of Mormon takes place in ancient Mesoamerica).

Here is one you missed:
&lt;a href=&quot;http://scriptures.lds.org/en/2_ne/26/33#33&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;2 Nephi 26:33&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt; &quot;For none of these iniquities come of the Lord; for he doeth that which is good among the children of men; and he doeth nothing save it be plain unto the children of men; and he inviteth them all to come unto him and partake of his goodness; and he denieth none that come unto him, &lt;b&gt;black and white&lt;/b&gt;, bond and free, male and female; and he remembereth the heathen; and all are alike unto God, both Jew and Gentile.&quot;

Please read more at the &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.fairmormon.org/Blacks_and_the_priesthood/LDS_scriptures&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;FAIR wiki&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please don&#8217;t quote the Book of Mormon out of context.  Many of those versus are not even talking about skin pigment, and none refer to black African skin (since the Book of Mormon takes place in ancient Mesoamerica).</p>
<p>Here is one you missed:<br />
<a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/2_ne/26/33#33" rel="nofollow"><b>2 Nephi 26:33</b></a> &#8220;For none of these iniquities come of the Lord; for he doeth that which is good among the children of men; and he doeth nothing save it be plain unto the children of men; and he inviteth them all to come unto him and partake of his goodness; and he denieth none that come unto him, <b>black and white</b>, bond and free, male and female; and he remembereth the heathen; and all are alike unto God, both Jew and Gentile.&#8221;</p>
<p>Please read more at the <a href="http://en.fairmormon.org/Blacks_and_the_priesthood/LDS_scriptures" rel="nofollow">FAIR wiki</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Just some guy</title>
		<link>http://www.whatdomormonsbelieve.com/2009/02/blacks-mormons-priesthood-racism-answers/comment-page-1/#comment-750</link>
		<dc:creator>Just some guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 04:30:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And more from the Book of Mormon:

2 Nephi 5:21 For behold, they had hardened their hearts against him, that they had become like unto a flint; wherefore, as they were white, and exceedingly fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them.

2 Nephi 30:6 And then shall they rejoice; for they shall know that it is a blessing unto them from the hand of God; and their scales of darkness shall begin to fall from their eyes; and many generations shall not pass away among them, save they shall be a pure white (1830 edition) and a delightsome people.

Jacob 3:8 O my brethren, I fear that unless ye shall repent of your sins that their skins will be whiter than yours, when ye shall be brought with them before the throne of God.

Alma 3:6 And the skins of the Lamanites were dark, according to the mark which was set upon their fathers, which was a curse upon them because of their transgression and their rebellion against their brethren, who consisted of Nephi, Jacob, and Joseph, and Sam, who were just and holy men.

3 Nephi 2:15 And their curse was taken from them, and their skin became white like unto the Nephites.

Mormon 5:15 And also that the seed of this people may more fully believe his gospel, which shall go forth unto them from the Gentiles; for this people shall be scattered, and shall become a dark, a filthy, and a loathsome people, beyond the description of that which ever hath been amongst us, yea, even that which hath been among the Lamanites, and this because of their unbelief and idolatry.

And from brother Brigham:

&quot;Shall I tell you the law of God in regard to the African race? If the white man who belongs to the chosen seed mixes his blood with the seed of Cain, the penalty, under the law of God, is death on the spot. This will always be so.&quot; (Journal of Discourses, Vol.10, p.109)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And more from the Book of Mormon:</p>
<p>2 Nephi 5:21 For behold, they had hardened their hearts against him, that they had become like unto a flint; wherefore, as they were white, and exceedingly fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them.</p>
<p>2 Nephi 30:6 And then shall they rejoice; for they shall know that it is a blessing unto them from the hand of God; and their scales of darkness shall begin to fall from their eyes; and many generations shall not pass away among them, save they shall be a pure white (1830 edition) and a delightsome people.</p>
<p>Jacob 3:8 O my brethren, I fear that unless ye shall repent of your sins that their skins will be whiter than yours, when ye shall be brought with them before the throne of God.</p>
<p>Alma 3:6 And the skins of the Lamanites were dark, according to the mark which was set upon their fathers, which was a curse upon them because of their transgression and their rebellion against their brethren, who consisted of Nephi, Jacob, and Joseph, and Sam, who were just and holy men.</p>
<p>3 Nephi 2:15 And their curse was taken from them, and their skin became white like unto the Nephites.</p>
<p>Mormon 5:15 And also that the seed of this people may more fully believe his gospel, which shall go forth unto them from the Gentiles; for this people shall be scattered, and shall become a dark, a filthy, and a loathsome people, beyond the description of that which ever hath been amongst us, yea, even that which hath been among the Lamanites, and this because of their unbelief and idolatry.</p>
<p>And from brother Brigham:</p>
<p>&#8220;Shall I tell you the law of God in regard to the African race? If the white man who belongs to the chosen seed mixes his blood with the seed of Cain, the penalty, under the law of God, is death on the spot. This will always be so.&#8221; (Journal of Discourses, Vol.10, p.109)</p>
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		<title>By: Annette</title>
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		<dc:creator>Annette</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Mar 2009 23:20:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you. Few things have calmed my troubled spirit regarding this issue as effectively as this post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you. Few things have calmed my troubled spirit regarding this issue as effectively as this post.</p>
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