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		<title>By: KZ</title>
		<link>http://www.whatdomormonsbelieve.com/2008/10/marriage-between-a-man-and-a-woman/comment-page-1/#comment-505</link>
		<dc:creator>KZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2009 16:48:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This was a good post.  I&#039;m not Mormon, in fact I&#039;m Catholic, and it&#039;s really sad to see that within the same religions that people think they can take what they want/like and live that way.  It&#039;s time we stand up within our faith and stand for what we stand for, period.  We should stop worrying about what others think about us.  Because it doesn&#039;t really matter, they are not living our lives.  If we are not going to stand up for God&#039;s Will, who will? Good post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This was a good post.  I&#8217;m not Mormon, in fact I&#8217;m Catholic, and it&#8217;s really sad to see that within the same religions that people think they can take what they want/like and live that way.  It&#8217;s time we stand up within our faith and stand for what we stand for, period.  We should stop worrying about what others think about us.  Because it doesn&#8217;t really matter, they are not living our lives.  If we are not going to stand up for God&#8217;s Will, who will? Good post.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.whatdomormonsbelieve.com/2008/10/marriage-between-a-man-and-a-woman/comment-page-1/#comment-246</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 06:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe the best solution is for the separation of church and state. Marriage is a religious covenant, and should be left to churches and the individuals who choose to commit to a particular church&#039;s teachings. The state should provide ONLY civil unions (to consenting adults- gay AND straight), without redefining marriage. I am LDS and I want the freedom to practice my religion, and want others to have that same freedom ...&quot;to worship how, what, or where they may.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe the best solution is for the separation of church and state. Marriage is a religious covenant, and should be left to churches and the individuals who choose to commit to a particular church&#8217;s teachings. The state should provide ONLY civil unions (to consenting adults- gay AND straight), without redefining marriage. I am LDS and I want the freedom to practice my religion, and want others to have that same freedom &#8230;&#8221;to worship how, what, or where they may.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Angela Hawes</title>
		<link>http://www.whatdomormonsbelieve.com/2008/10/marriage-between-a-man-and-a-woman/comment-page-1/#comment-243</link>
		<dc:creator>Angela Hawes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 07:23:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>According to California Law, same sex Domestic Partnerships are entitled to ALL THE RIGHTS that a married couple is (ie taxes, healthcare, fair housing etc). This law is still in full tact. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Proposition 8 does not infringe on any of these rights.  It simply defines marriage as between one man and one woman.  Therefore, the argument is not about &quot;rights&quot; (as defined by the Universal Declaration of Human Rights), but about a label. Whether you call it a &quot;domestic partnership&quot; or &quot;marriage&quot; is irrelevant with regards to rights. &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Furthermore, allowing same gender marriage infringes on the constitutional rights of churches with regards to  marriages, adoptions, tax exemptions etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to California Law, same sex Domestic Partnerships are entitled to ALL THE RIGHTS that a married couple is (ie taxes, healthcare, fair housing etc). This law is still in full tact. </p>
<p>Proposition 8 does not infringe on any of these rights.  It simply defines marriage as between one man and one woman.  Therefore, the argument is not about &#8220;rights&#8221; (as defined by the Universal Declaration of Human Rights), but about a label. Whether you call it a &#8220;domestic partnership&#8221; or &#8220;marriage&#8221; is irrelevant with regards to rights. </p>
<p>Furthermore, allowing same gender marriage infringes on the constitutional rights of churches with regards to  marriages, adoptions, tax exemptions etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
		<link>http://www.whatdomormonsbelieve.com/2008/10/marriage-between-a-man-and-a-woman/comment-page-1/#comment-239</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 12:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The last post that contains the link for mormonsformarriage IS NOT the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints&#039; opinion or stance on the issue of gay marriage.  The person who has created that blog supports a view that differs from the prophet and other general leaders of our church.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Once again this demonstrates that our members do not just blindly follow our prophet.  We all decide were we will stand--with the prophet or with someone/something else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The last post that contains the link for mormonsformarriage IS NOT the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints&#8217; opinion or stance on the issue of gay marriage.  The person who has created that blog supports a view that differs from the prophet and other general leaders of our church.  </p>
<p>Once again this demonstrates that our members do not just blindly follow our prophet.  We all decide were we will stand&#8211;with the prophet or with someone/something else.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 03:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 20:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Joel:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;We, as Christians of whatever denomination, Mormons included, in taking upon ourselves the name of Jesus Christ covenant to act as he would act, say what he would say and do what he would do, regardless of what others may say.  The Bible (and Mormon doctrine) is pretty clear that marriage between man and woman is ordained of God.  So, it is not too much of a stretch to see where God would stand on an issue such as this.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I believe that God has once again called a prophet.  As the scripture I quoted in my previous comment says, “whether by mine own voice or the voice of my servants, it is the same.”  Therefore, for me there is no separation between what the prophet of the LDS church says and what God would say.  You are free to disagree, but that is what I believe and I will always stand with the prophet on any issue.  Why? Because time after time as I have heeded his counsel, looking back I see that he was right.  More importantly though, in my heart and mind I know that he is a prophet of God.  Thus, why would I pick and choose what I will accept and not accept as prophetic counsel?  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;A prophet is just that, someone who prophesies.  He can see down the hall and a little around the corner.  What he says is not in the classical Biblical language “Thus saith the Lord God . . .”, but there is a reason that the prophet of the our church, the LDS church, is speaking up on this issue.  If it were Abraham speaking I bet would you perk up and listen.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;In addition to the great links that Megan posted with her original post, David Bednar (A member of the Quorum of 12 Apostles) explains very well the governing body of the church’s opinion.  You can watch it on YouTube at this URL: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhi6Ky66gQw</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Joel:</p>
<p>We, as Christians of whatever denomination, Mormons included, in taking upon ourselves the name of Jesus Christ covenant to act as he would act, say what he would say and do what he would do, regardless of what others may say.  The Bible (and Mormon doctrine) is pretty clear that marriage between man and woman is ordained of God.  So, it is not too much of a stretch to see where God would stand on an issue such as this.  </p>
<p>I believe that God has once again called a prophet.  As the scripture I quoted in my previous comment says, “whether by mine own voice or the voice of my servants, it is the same.”  Therefore, for me there is no separation between what the prophet of the LDS church says and what God would say.  You are free to disagree, but that is what I believe and I will always stand with the prophet on any issue.  Why? Because time after time as I have heeded his counsel, looking back I see that he was right.  More importantly though, in my heart and mind I know that he is a prophet of God.  Thus, why would I pick and choose what I will accept and not accept as prophetic counsel?  </p>
<p>A prophet is just that, someone who prophesies.  He can see down the hall and a little around the corner.  What he says is not in the classical Biblical language “Thus saith the Lord God . . .”, but there is a reason that the prophet of the our church, the LDS church, is speaking up on this issue.  If it were Abraham speaking I bet would you perk up and listen.  </p>
<p>In addition to the great links that Megan posted with her original post, David Bednar (A member of the Quorum of 12 Apostles) explains very well the governing body of the church’s opinion.  You can watch it on YouTube at this URL: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhi6Ky66gQw" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhi6Ky66gQw</a></p>
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		<title>By: Thaddeus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thaddeus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 18:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Could this be due to the LDS Church taking away the opportunity for them to think for themselves on this issue? I mean, the Prophet spoke, &lt;a href=&quot;http://bycommonconsent.com/2009/06/25/when-our-leaders-speak-the-thinking-has-been-done/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the thinking was done for the church&lt;/a&gt;...right?&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Do we have to take the opposing viewpoint just to prove that we thought for ourselves?  This allegation is offensive.  Our decisions are our own and we are accountable for them. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In becoming informed on issues such as these we read the news, listen to opposing arguments, discuss alternatives, and listen to what authorities on the topic have to say.  Latter-day Saints just put great stock in the counsel of the prophet.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;i&gt;It is very probable that the issue will one day be decided by the Supreme Court of the United States based on the 14th amendment of the Constitution which denies states the power to abridge the privileges of citizens or to deny them equal protection under the law.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I don&#039;t recall marriage ever being considered a basic Constitutional right.  Government has a long tradition of restricting marriage.  If we are to grant similar rights to same-gender couples, then what about polygamists, children, siblings, first cousins, and singles?  All these have consistently been denied marriage &quot;rights.&quot;  Surely they deserve &#039;equal protection under the law,&#039; too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Could this be due to the LDS Church taking away the opportunity for them to think for themselves on this issue? I mean, the Prophet spoke, <a href="http://bycommonconsent.com/2009/06/25/when-our-leaders-speak-the-thinking-has-been-done/" rel="nofollow">the thinking was done for the church</a>&#8230;right?</i></p>
<p>Do we have to take the opposing viewpoint just to prove that we thought for ourselves?  This allegation is offensive.  Our decisions are our own and we are accountable for them. </p>
<p>In becoming informed on issues such as these we read the news, listen to opposing arguments, discuss alternatives, and listen to what authorities on the topic have to say.  Latter-day Saints just put great stock in the counsel of the prophet.</p>
<p><i>It is very probable that the issue will one day be decided by the Supreme Court of the United States based on the 14th amendment of the Constitution which denies states the power to abridge the privileges of citizens or to deny them equal protection under the law.</i></p>
<p>I don&#8217;t recall marriage ever being considered a basic Constitutional right.  Government has a long tradition of restricting marriage.  If we are to grant similar rights to same-gender couples, then what about polygamists, children, siblings, first cousins, and singles?  All these have consistently been denied marriage &#8220;rights.&#8221;  Surely they deserve &#8216;equal protection under the law,&#8217; too.</p>
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		<title>By: Joel McDonald</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joel McDonald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 12:25:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I&#039;ve found that my LDS friends who are opposed to prop 8 have been much more vocal about it...&lt;br/&gt;Until recently, when many of my friends have been blogging in favor of it (and taking a lot of negative hits for it)&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Could this be due to the LDS Church taking away the opportunity for them to think for themselves on this issue? I mean, the Prophet spoke, the thinking was done for the church...right?&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;As for the blog: Some of what was argued has been shown, through legal precedent, to be misinformation distributed as propaganda for the the support of Proposition 8.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;I respect the right of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints to believe what they want to about homosexuality and enforce whatever standards and regulations they deem necessary upon the members of their church. After all, every member has the right to decide whether they want to continue to be a member of that church. Latter-day Saints are free to worship however they may as long as their worship does not infringe upon the freedom of others to worship or not worship.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Where the line is drawn is when religious institutions feel it necessary to lobby support for a political agenda, especially an agenda that does absolutely nothing but degrade a minority by politicizing the religious beliefs of those institutions. The current push by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints to have their members in California support an amendment to the state constitution defining marriage as being between one man and one woman crosses that line.&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;It is very probable that the issue will one day be decided by the Supreme Court of the United States based on the 14th amendment of the Constitution which denies states the power to abridge the privileges of citizens or to deny them equal protection under the law. This is the same amendment cited by the court in its ruling on school desegregation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I&#8217;ve found that my LDS friends who are opposed to prop 8 have been much more vocal about it&#8230;<br />Until recently, when many of my friends have been blogging in favor of it (and taking a lot of negative hits for it)</i></p>
<p>Could this be due to the LDS Church taking away the opportunity for them to think for themselves on this issue? I mean, the Prophet spoke, the thinking was done for the church&#8230;right?</p>
<p>As for the blog: Some of what was argued has been shown, through legal precedent, to be misinformation distributed as propaganda for the the support of Proposition 8.</p>
<p>I respect the right of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints to believe what they want to about homosexuality and enforce whatever standards and regulations they deem necessary upon the members of their church. After all, every member has the right to decide whether they want to continue to be a member of that church. Latter-day Saints are free to worship however they may as long as their worship does not infringe upon the freedom of others to worship or not worship.</p>
<p>Where the line is drawn is when religious institutions feel it necessary to lobby support for a political agenda, especially an agenda that does absolutely nothing but degrade a minority by politicizing the religious beliefs of those institutions. The current push by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints to have their members in California support an amendment to the state constitution defining marriage as being between one man and one woman crosses that line.</p>
<p>It is very probable that the issue will one day be decided by the Supreme Court of the United States based on the 14th amendment of the Constitution which denies states the power to abridge the privileges of citizens or to deny them equal protection under the law. This is the same amendment cited by the court in its ruling on school desegregation.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 04:29:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I admire you contributors to this blog. In the past I&#039;ve found that my LDS friends who are opposed to prop 8 have been much more vocal about it...&lt;br/&gt;Until recently, when many of my friends have been blogging in favor of it (and taking a lot of negative hits for it)&lt;br/&gt;Keep up the good work!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I admire you contributors to this blog. In the past I&#8217;ve found that my LDS friends who are opposed to prop 8 have been much more vocal about it&#8230;<br />Until recently, when many of my friends have been blogging in favor of it (and taking a lot of negative hits for it)<br />Keep up the good work!</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 02:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am glad that you brought this up, because it gives our readers a chance to see that members of our Church do not just follow blindly as many assume.  &lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;Sure, there are members of the LDS Church who will vote no for proposition 8.  They do not agree with the stance that the First Presidency and Quorum of the 12 Apostles have taken.  They are free to do so, they have the God-given right to do so and no one will deny them that right.  However, we the contributors to this blog, will always stand with the governing body of the Church.  We have a firm conviction that God speaks to his prophet on the earth and that prophet relays that information to us, especially in circumstances such as these.  Might I add one scripture that defines how members should uphold the prophet of our Church:&lt;br/&gt;&lt;br/&gt;&quot;What I the Lord have spoken, I have spoken, and I excuse not myself; and though the heavens and the earth pass away, my word shall not pass away, but shall all be fulfilled, whether by mine own voice or by the voice of my servants, it is the same.&quot;  Doctrine and Covenants 1:38</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am glad that you brought this up, because it gives our readers a chance to see that members of our Church do not just follow blindly as many assume.  </p>
<p>Sure, there are members of the LDS Church who will vote no for proposition 8.  They do not agree with the stance that the First Presidency and Quorum of the 12 Apostles have taken.  They are free to do so, they have the God-given right to do so and no one will deny them that right.  However, we the contributors to this blog, will always stand with the governing body of the Church.  We have a firm conviction that God speaks to his prophet on the earth and that prophet relays that information to us, especially in circumstances such as these.  Might I add one scripture that defines how members should uphold the prophet of our Church:</p>
<p>&#8220;What I the Lord have spoken, I have spoken, and I excuse not myself; and though the heavens and the earth pass away, my word shall not pass away, but shall all be fulfilled, whether by mine own voice or by the voice of my servants, it is the same.&#8221;  Doctrine and Covenants 1:38</p>
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